OT - Personal update... don't read if you aren't interested.

For those of you who have known me and my son for a VERY long time, and know about the problems (girlfriend type of problems, I mean) we've been having since he started dating her back in July.... it's over!

After threatening to break up with him (when she wasn't getting her own way) a couple of times back in the fall, then actually doing it for all of two days a few weeks later and changing her mind and wanting them to stay together... about four weeks ago there was some MAJOR drama happening between her parents and her. Her mother sent me a VERY nasty and threatening email (this from a "Good Christian woman"

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MRH
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Well Gem, that girl has a LOT of growing up to do but it ISN'T going to happen as long as she has such a severely dysfunctional relationship with her parents. She also has a very large chance of becoming caught in the emotionally abusive cycle and will most likely end up treating her children the same way that she's been treated. Sounds like she needs some intensive counseling for a long, long time. I know it will hurt Matthew now to break up with her, but the damage in the long run will be so much worse if he doesn't get out of the GAME. If Matthew keeps getting back with this girl, he will become caught up in a co-dependant relationship and really be hurt. (May I add- she has absolutely NO business dragging you or anyone else into this. I wonder if she's bi-polar by the sound of her mood swings) Matthew needs to chalk it all up to a life experience and move on with his life. There's plenty of fish in the sea. Marie and the cats

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bienchat

I won't happy dance yet, Gem, but I will whisper a "thank you" to the powers that be for making this happen. Fingers crossed.

Higs, Katherine

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Katherine

Hi Gemini,

I agree with Katherine, I wouldn't get all excited just yet. I'll say a prayer for you and especially for Matthew that he doesn't get back with her again.

Hugs,

Nora

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norabalcer

Well, that certainly sounds positive!

Higs, Katherine

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Katherine

Don't do a happy dance, quite yet, dear friend, young people are.... errrr. 'fickle'...

Being judgemental here, but I think she's as sick as her parents are!

Good grief! Hugs, Noreen

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YarnWright

Gemini this has been a hard time for both you and Mathew - it is hard to see ones children go through such an experience but it seems Marhew is already feeling the joy of freedom. I just hope - and I will pray too - that he never speaks to her again - in this case I feel the " just being friends" will never work. Christine will never work with anyone unless she has some good councelling - and with her parents behind her I would not hope for that anyway.

Mathew will just have to " grin and bear it" and put the experience behind him as just that - as experience. I am glad tao hear he is still happy to go out and have friends - the last thing I would want to hear is that he would rather stay home alone. God bless you both Gwen

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Gwen

Blimey sent this to the wrong message...here ya go..lol Told ya didn't I? You stay out of it, and act normally, thus seemingly to not be bothered about it, and one or other of them will see through the other, all they had in common in the first place was 'secret' chats about each others parents, when you stopped, that chat stopped, and M. realised that all threats against you, were unfounded, thus it got his back up and he went on mum defense mode, then all they had left was the arguing about her parents and the child.

I learnt this along time ago having had four girls and two boys, seemingly to 'throw' them together actually pushes them apart and trying to part them pushes them together...ya gotta be one step ahead..

Lets hope he finds a lovely girl that will have no ties and additions and be loving and gentle and happy go lucky...sharing her family with you and vice a versa, it takes time to grow a friend Gems, and it doesn't take much to cut down weeds.

best of luck....Cher

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spinninglilac

Matthew had a lot of fun with Candace and her friends yesterday. They decided not to go out afterall, but instead had a pizza delivered and just had fun all getting to know each other. Matthew said "It feels so good to be accepted and liked for myself, instead of someone wanting me to change so many things about myself. I feel good about myself again, like I am a good and likeable person exactly the way I really am."

I just smiled at him and said "I've been telling you that all along, sweetie!" He said "Yeah, I know, but you're my Mom and you are supposed to feel that way and say those things. When the woman you're in love with is trying to get you to change things about yourself, including the way you think and feel about things, it tends to make you feel like the real you isn't good enough and that you need to improve yourself before you are acceptable to other people. I know better now though, and I like myself again!" That was very good to hear him say! :o)

Oh also... Matthew and his best friend have never really felt the need to get their driver's licenses (my three nephews and myself never bothered getting ours until we were almost 30) and it wasn't too big of a problem at all until he started dating his ex-girlfriend. She and her parents kept harping on him about how REAL men, MATURE men, have their driver's licenses.... blah, blah, blah. I have told him before that when he was ready (and we have extra money to be able to afford to do it, as it is SO expensive) he can do it, but there is no rush for it. He does know how to drive... I taught him on back roads when he was in his teens just in case of an emergency and he needed to be able to take over the driving. I have also told him that I know a number of older men who have NEVER had their driver's licenses, and it didn't matter and didn't make them any less of being REAL or MATURE men. But of course, I'm Mom and am supposed to make her son feel better about himself... not at all what I was trying to do, just pointing out the facts and letting him know that what Christina and her parents were saying wasn't how everyone felt.

However, this girl Candace and her friends that he hung out with yesterday have no problem whatsoever with someone not having a driver's license. As they told Matthew "Having a license or not doesn't make the person you are... it's who you are inside, not what you have or don't have that makes you likeable or not." When he told me that, I said "What have I been telling you?" Matthew said "Yeah, I know... but to hear Christina who is from my generation, and her parents who are from your generation go on and on about it all the time, it really made me feel that I was worthless and would never amount to anything unless I got my license. Man they really did a number on his self-esteem, pride, confidence, etc. *shakes head*

Gemini

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MRH

Every post sounds better.

Higs, Katherine

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Katherine

I know, that's why I don't feel comfortable about it. I tried to tell him that, but I guess part of him still wants to believe that she would never do something like that to him. *sigh* I don't trust her as far as I could throw her, and I couldn't even begin to pick her up.. much less throw her. :o/

Gem

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MRH

geez. If you threw Matthew down 'here', I'd take him over my knee, giggle. Noreen that girl needs HELP, serious HELP.

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YarnWright

Has he come back yet????

Higs, Katherine

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Katherine

Gemini Noreen i had the same reaction , With all this stories , he better NOt go into one car with her ,,, mirjam

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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen

I actually feel 'sorry' for men in these times... even a remark made offhandedly will cause some women to claim sexism, discrimination, abuse, etc..... Noreen

who's sure she's just opened up ANOTHER can of worms.... another fine mess you've gotten us into Ollie!

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YarnWright

Sorry for not answering right away... I was offline last night!

Yes, Matthew came home and said that she had settled down and they got around to her studying for her course while out at Tim Hortons, and afterward when they stopped at the bar to eat and shoot pool. He actually phoned me from the bar to let me know where he was in case I needed him (they weren't drinking, just eating lunch and shooting pool)... I told him then that since the bar is just a couple of blocks down the street to either walk, or if the weather was too cold for how he was dressed to call me when he was ready to come home and I would pick him up rather than him go with her alone again.... he walked home!

He also did tell her not to show up at our house uninvited again, unless she had Sharon (their mutual friend) with her... that she wasn't to come anymore unless there were other people here. She was okay with it... but then, that was yesterday, who knows what she's going to act like today?

Gem>

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MRH

Thanks for the update, Gem.

Higs, Katherine

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Katherine

LOL Unfortunately, you are correct, Noreen, sad as I am to agree. (Agreeing about the false claims, not the can of worms!)

Higs, Katherine

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Katherine

nodnodnod, true Katherine. But, as also pointed out, for many years women suffered abuses of all sorts and were made to be less than the victim..... Hugs, Noreen

actually, thinking about it... even women today can/should have those same fears as men, a woman can just as easily make an offhand remark and have it misconstrued...... ah, as my dear dear Uncle Andy used to say "what goes around, comes around"....

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YarnWright

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