Paternayan yarn numbers

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Hi, I am thinking about making the pattern "Tinkle, a Cat" from the
book by Brande Ormond, _American Primitives in Needlepoint_.  But when
I look at the Paternayan yarn numbers, they are so different!  This
calls for quite a lot of Dark Red #201, but when I look at color
charts, 201 is quite a shade of grey!  Is there any way to convert
these numbers?  I have googled it and had no luck at all.


Re: Paternayan yarn numbers
You aren't mixing up Paterna and Paternayan are you? One's British, the
other American. Most of the colors are the same, but some are
different.
Dora
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bungadora wrote:
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It's an American book & I'm _pretty_ sure it says Paternayan for the
yarn.  Will check.
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Yes, Paternayan.  but like I said, when I look at the color charts
online, some of the colors aren't even there, and the ones that are,
are just different.  Gray, instead of red.  that kind of thing.


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elderberry22 wrote:
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Perhaps the publisher mixed the lines up somehow.  Might be worth
checking out a Paterna color chart just in case.

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I did a bit more research.
Your book was published in 1977. Paternayan colors changed some time in
the 1980's I think, so you should be looking for a conversion chart of
the old to new Paternayan colors. From what I've read the company never
issued a conversion chart although I think there were conversion charts
published by other parties. Some magazine called Needlepoint News
published one, according to a google of this group.
Dora

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As a followup, the only reference I have been able to find to a
conversion chart was Needlepoint News, March-April 1982.  Otherwise a
google search suggested contacting JCA. Their website is
http://www.jcacrafts.com/index.php /

I think I'll do some needlepoint now.
Dora


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Thank you VERY MUCH.  I was able to buy a copy of this magazine on
eBay.  Now if I can just figure out how much yarn, I will be set.


Re: Paternayan yarn numbers
Glad to help.  I might contact JCA myself, just to find out whether
they ever produced their own conversion chart.  Some of the comments on
google seemed to indicate that they did not. Kind of odd it isn't
easier to find.

Dora
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I have a paper chart of the US Paternayan yarns dated about 1990.  The
back page has the conversion from OLD Paternayan to NEW Paternayan.
This paper chart is not handy or I would scan it and email the scan.
But it did originate with JCA.

And the difference between US Paternayan and UK Paterna is that some of
those lovely colours that used to be available in the US are still
available in the UK.  The UK have different numbers and no comparison
is perfect--I got a shade card from Sew Exciting in the UK for a
reasonable sum.

Good luck with the needlework--Irene


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I have a Paternayan card that has samples of each color and a
conversion chart for Elsa Williams Tapestry yarn.  By checking the
earlier messages, I see that it has the newer color numbers.  The card
has five pages of samples and folds in on itself to protect the yarn -
all 405 small samples.

Because I have a number of early 1970s books, particularly bargello
ones, I would like to obtain a copy of the Paternayan conversion chart.
 Would anyone who has it be willing to scan it?  Or if you would send
me a scan or copy, I would create an Excel spreadsheet that has the
conversions and send it to anyone who wanted it.

Thanks in advance,
Susan in Seattle


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I tried writing JCA about a week ago and haven't had an answer yet on
whether they still have a chart available or not. If I don't hear back
from them next week, I'll try writing again. If not, and if you succeed
in your enterprise I'd like to have a copy.

I also have a few 1970's patterns I wouldn't mind decoding,
particularly a book on Persian rug designs. Mind you, if I haven't been
able to get around to them after nearly 30 years there's a good chance
I never will.

Dora

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I don't have a scanner, but I can just type them in a few at a time &
hope for not too many typos!

Old=New
001=260
005=261
010=262
011-256
012-263
014-327
015-756
017-246
020-465
025-462
026-948
032-236
040-716
050-220


And that is all the zeros.  Will try to do more later.
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elderberry22,

I have entered your '0s' in a spreadsheet: Old2New, and New2Old.  When
you finish publishing them I will be glad to send the spreadsheet on to
any who request it.  Thanks for taking the time to type them in.

Susan in Seattle

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Thanks for doing this elderberry.
Dora

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bungadora wrote:
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104-440
105-420
108-221
110-421
112-DISC
113-422
114-450
115-DISC
116-470
117-DISC
120-460
123-DISC
124-452
126-472
127-DISC
131-DISC
132-473
133-DISC
134-453
136-454
137-DISC
138-474
140-424
143-DISC
144-410
145-441
147-DISC
More later.....


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Welll, here it is later, and here is some more:
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153=475
154=411
162=200
164=202
166=203
168=204
172=412
174=413
180=210
182=211
184=212
186=213
194=414
200=971
201=920
202=972
203=DISC
204=DISC
205=DISC
207=DISC
210=930
211=DISC
213=950
215=861
217=401
220=DISC
221=DISC
223=911
225=862
227=DISC
228=DISC
229=DISC
230=951
231=902
232=903
234=DISC
236=900
238=952
240=840
242=841
243=953
245=931
247=402
248=403
249=404
250=912
254=914
255=932
256=915
257=405
260=933
262=921
265=934
266=870
267=860
269=871
271=406
273=863
274=872
275=DISC
278=864
280=873
281=DISC
282=904
283=922
284=865
285=923
286=874
287=875
288=905
289=913
294=924
295=320
304=DISC
305=570


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I thought maybe you were lost. But thanks again. By the way I wrote the
company but never heard back from them.
Dora
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There is a conversion chart at <http://makeashorterlink.com/?X5CE24EED
And what looks like a handy page at
<http://www.fibergypsy.com/threadlist/index.shtml
Don't know if it is what you need but it may help
--
Bruce Fletcher
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Thanks, but the conversion we're doing in this case are the old
Paternayan numbers (pre 1982) to post 1982 numbers, to a certain point
of course. I'm sure they introduced new colors after the chart was
published.
Dora
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306=disc
308=disc
310=disc
311=510
312=disc
314=511
318=disc
321=571
322=disc
323=disc
330=502
334=501
340=520
342=522
346=disc
350=disc
352=523
354=524
355=disc
365=500
367=521
380=512
381=513
382=514
385=503
386=504
389=disc
391=disc
392=disc
395=505
396=506
more to follow..................


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