OT: should I say something?

Thank you. FYI Sartor Resartus means 'the tailor re-patched'. I used to do a lot of dressmaking, now I quilt. It seemed appropriate at the time, and it has kinda stuck. It seems it is also a remarkably tedious book by Thomas Carlysle, but I didn't know that till afterwards. I got to it whilst listening to a radio programme about Coco Chanel, who's nickname it apparently was, how preposterously pseud is that?!

Absolutely. The shock factor is what makes it work. Most of us, most of the time, are very strong-willed, strong-minded people. We wouldn't cry if it were the last thing on God's earth. But sometimes, in some situations, weakness is strength. I didn't say bawl, or wail, or sniff. Winning an Oscar on these occasions is as much a matter of timing as intensity. A bowed head and hunched shoulders might be all that is necessary. The wet-stuff is optional. I am talking body language as much as anything. Yes, it is manipulation, of course it is. It is escalating a remark into a confrontation. However, it is doing it by turning the tables on the bully, so that they are now 'shown up' rather than the victim.

None of us are a victim without our complicity. (Does anyone know the origin of that aphorism, please?) But wriggling out of that, especially with problems with Anxiety, can be very difficult. As others have said, it is probable that nothing can be done in fact, but we can change our POV. Tears are always the last resort, because once used they become ineffective, ever again. There is no going back. But once in a while, they are the silver bullet in a situation.

If I have learned anything over the last three years it is that there is no kudos in always being the strong, unbowed one. There is also strength in saying, 'No, that makes me feel bad. I don't like it when people are mean to me. I don't deserve it.' What you do then is your own choice. The important thing is to make the choice, and move on. If that is do, then do, if not-do then that is OK, too. How much nicer it would have been if a-n-other had piped up and said, 'You know, if that had been on the class directions, I wouldn't have signed up! This is a class for all skill-levels. Remind me to check out the small print next time.'

But nobody can pull back time for another crack at a situation. What damage is done. If I felt strongly enough about it, I would certainly tackle the LQS, but, as sure as eggs is eggs, without witnesses, the Manager would probably say something like, "I'm sure you misheard. Mrs Sockinmouth would never have said that. She is one of my best teachers. Perhaps if I call her across you can put it to her yourself?" >>Shudder

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Roberta

Hi Sunny, I'm so sorry you were the target of such rude comments. I doubt talking to her at this point would do any good. She appears to be one of those people who has to make sure everyone in the group knows she's An Important Person. A smart comeback at the time might have deflated her a bit but if you're like me I can never think that quickly. :o)

I would definitely suggest talking with the shop owner. Maybe it's just me but I would stick to the facts. Simply tell her/him what happened and then say something like.......

Considering the fact that this was really just a get together of people who wanted to work on the bag I don't think there was any reason for Ms. Obnoxious One (insert real name ;-)) to expect any level of expertise at all from the participants. Of course if it had been a real class, a list of skills needed would have been given in the class description and I would have brushed up on them before signing up.

You could also add something like........Because of what happened I would never pay for or take a class taught by ________ and to be honest, I no longer enjoy shopping here when she's working. It might not just be me either. There were quite a few ladies at the sew-in who heard what she said and may be feeling the same way.

If you don't want to do it face to face then write it all down in a letter. I really think it's important that the store owner knows how much this person is harming business by her attitude.

I can't wait to see pictures of your bag!

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Jeri

Steven, I'm so sorry for your loss, and especially that it should come at a time when you're already overburdened with "stuff". {{{Hugs}}}

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Sandy

Sorry to hear of all your burdens. Especially sorry for the loss of your Aunt. Barbara in SC

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Bobbie Sews More

My Wings are on their way.

Butterfly (Off to Alaska--bringing my Butterfly jacket)

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Butterflywings

Polly, I love this. I've forwarded to my daughter who is having trouble dealing with rude, unfeeling remarks from someone.

Julia > Try this silly little mind game. Picture yourself with a few water

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Julia in MN

That was a response I learned from my little Mama who had to deal with lots of snarly people at work. They said she had the sweetest smile. She did indeed. Polly

"Julia in MN" Polly, I love this. I've forwarded to my daughter who is having trouble dealing with rude, unfeeling remarks from someone.

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Polly Esther

Green? pea soup. surely there is some other colour that really is icky. Green is not icky at all. i have the best proof of that on my bed now. mumble, mumble, mumble, j.

"Polly Esther" wrote ... That was a response I learned from my little Mama who had to deal with lots of snarly people at work. They said she had the sweetest smile. She did indeed. Polly

"Julia in MN" Polly, I love this. I've forwarded to my daughter who is having trouble dealing with rude, unfeeling remarks from someone. > Julia in Mn

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J*

I really like split pea soup and wouldn't put it on anybody. But I really like Polly's idea (as usual). I'm gonna use a variation on the theme where instead of green goo, I'm gonna envision her with a little smear of doggy poo right on the side of her face where she wouldn't see it until she looked in the mirror. Maybe up in her hair line. Oh, that's so mean.........doesn't really feel right. But I think there's more of this possibility to be discovered.

Sunny

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onetexsun

I am just back from my treat-to-me quilt retreat. I haven't read all the replies. Hugs to those who need them, heck, hugs to all. Home again, home again.

I hesitate to tell you my schedule the last three days. Up Fri at 0400 hrs, out the door by 0530 hrs. In Buellton at 0710 hrs. No break except for dinner at 1800-1830 hrs, finally called it quits at 2130 hrs. Attempted sleep at 2230 hrs, which was fitful at best. Up at 0400 hrs on Sat, back to the retreat cented by 0440 hrs, work until 2130 except for break for breakfast at 0800 hrs and dinner at 1800 hrs. Back up at 0300 hrs this morning, at the retreat center by 0330 hrs, worked until 1400 hrs. Visited with my friends who own the center and shop. Took the long way home [drive over to Lompoc then down H1 to

101.

That caveat lodged, if I prattle on, please forgive me.

This weekend there was someone like "the Mouth" in our group. She bought one of those powered strip makers. She couldn't get it to work right. She came looking for me to help her change out a blade. [why me? just 'cos I know how to use tools?!]. She was complaining. I said "let's look at the manual". Followed that, she kept insisting the device was not feeding correctly. I [patiently at first] told her there is a learning curve, she needs to watch what she is doing with her hands, etc. She kept complaining and blaming Dawn for selling it to her. I had had it. So at dinner last night, I loudly asked her "___, did you read the manual yet, How is it working now? what does the troubleshooting guide say to do? Has anyone else seen these, what do you think?" The others looked at me and realized she had been bad- mouthing Dawn who had nothing to do with the thing not working. She got ticked off at me, but it took care of the fingerpointing at an innocent party.

Don't know if that will work, but it's worth a shot.

Ginger in CA not even going to try to keep up with all the messages since Fri morning.

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gaw93031

I hesitate to tell you my schedule the last three days. Up Fri at 0400 hrs, out the door by 0530 hrs. In Buellton at 0710 hrs. No break except for dinner at 1800-1830 hrs, finally called it quits at 2130 hrs. Attempted sleep at 2230 hrs, which was fitful at best. Up at 0400 hrs on Sat, back to the retreat cented by 0440 hrs, work until 2130 except for break for breakfast at 0800 hrs and dinner at 1800 hrs. Back up at 0300 hrs this morning, at the retreat center by 0330 hrs, worked until 1400 hrs. Visited with my friends who own the center and shop. Took the long way home [drive over to Lompoc then down H1 to

101.

That caveat lodged, if I prattle on, please forgive me.

This weekend there was someone like "the Mouth" in our group. She bought one of those powered strip makers. She couldn't get it to work right. She came looking for me to help her change out a blade. [why me? just 'cos I know how to use tools?!]. She was complaining. I said "let's look at the manual". Followed that, she kept insisting the device was not feeding correctly. I [patiently at first] told her there is a learning curve, she needs to watch what she is doing with her hands, etc. She kept complaining and blaming Dawn for selling it to her. I had had it. So at dinner last night, I loudly asked her "___, did you read the manual yet, How is it working now? what does the troubleshooting guide say to do? Has anyone else seen these, what do you think?" The others looked at me and realized she had been bad- mouthing Dawn who had nothing to do with the thing not working. She got ticked off at me, but it took care of the fingerpointing at an innocent party.

Don't know if that will work, but it's worth a shot.

Ginger in CA not even going to try to keep up with all the messages since Fri morning.

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Taria

An interesting point coming in from Ginger. Maybe it's my age or the passionate urge to defend but I wonder where the other quilters were when Sunny was being stung. I wouldn't go so far as to say that standing mute when there's bullying going on is as bad as bullying . . . or is it? Polly

"Taria" < wrote, in part> > Good for your saying something at the right time.

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Polly Esther

Prayers and comforting thoughts on the way to you and your family. May your Aunt RIP.

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DiMa

There was a movie, "Gentleman's Agreement", starring Gregory Peck, which discussed that very thing.

Bev in TX

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Bev in TX

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Roberta

I can think of a couple of reasons. There may have been more quilters than Sunny that had trouble, and some may have felt she was talking about them. The other possibility is that most people didn't notice or mind that Sunny had problems, and didn't even register the issue. They may have wondered what the old bat could possibly have been talking about.

Best regards, Michelle in Nevada

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Michelle C.

It sounds like the original flyer that Sunny used for signing up said nothing about "have to know your machine/how to sew/how to put in a zipper". So, the teacher can and should expect to see all levels of understanding.

The lady -um, hesitating to use that description ;) - from the LQS was stating her preferences for when she teaches the class. She may also want everyone to buy all their fabric/notions at her LQS. I think she is doing a disservice to the business to put out such restrictions. Afterall, haven't we all been in a class/retreat/gathering where there was someone who was able to show/teach/learn something new from a fellow class member? I know that happened to me this past weekend. I have my machine, know how to use it, but couldn't figure out how to change the presser foot, even with the manual! And zippers - forgetaboutit! Didn't do those in jr high, why would I start now!?

And I know that all the other machines there were fancy computerized affairs. My old mechanical Kenmore workhorse did just fine and held his own in reliability [his name is "Joe". Kenmore - more than Ken- not just a pretty face =3D Joe, as in GI Joe, or our own Mr. Joe]

Heavens forbid she limit the type of mach> Polly Esther wrote:

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