Another woodturning adjunct

Hello all-

In keeping with my constant search for new and interesting things to try out, I recently did some research into chemical engraving, and have found that it's actually pretty easy and has some fairly spectacular results if you're patient and have a steady hand.

Where this ties into woodturning is in embellishment. I've often enjoyed seeing turned items that have been carved in various ways, but having done a fair bit of carving myself in the past, it's always seemed like a little too much for me to invest in a single turning- and it often seems to take a little away from nicely figured wood.

But, with far less effort, and possibly even more bang for the buck, a guy can dress up a rather plain turning with a handful of dollars and some brass or copper shim stock. (Any kind of metal will work, but I like the look of the brass the best, personally)

Thin brass shim can be cut with a regular pair of scissors (as long as they're not your wife's "good" scissors, that is...) to whatever shape you need.

So here's the proposal (and to appease Arch, I'll note that I've already done this, and it works in practice just as described)

Turn yourself some kind of object- I don't care what kind, it's your project! At some point on the turning, scrape out a shallow groove roughly the same depth as your shim stock, and the same width as your inlay. Now you've got two choices, depending on your inclinations. You can measure the diameter of the piece and multiply that by

3.1415... to get a length for your shim, or you can wrap something around the outside of the turning to get the same measurement. For this first one, make sure that the groove's bottom is parallel to the line from the headstock and tailstock- this is just for simplicity, as you will need a rectangle, rather than a curve that will form into a cone section if you keep things even.

Now comes the new part- you're going to need a few things that are pretty inexpensive and easy to get, but you'll have to get them before proceeding. The first, and most difficult, is Ferric Chloride. Even though it's the "most difficult", it's not all that hard to come by. I got a quart bottle of the stuff mail order from an outfit called "Dick Blick art supplies" on line for about $4. This is used for circuit boad etching as well, so it may be availible at a place like Radio Shack, though I have not looked yet. You'll also need a "ground" which is sold as etching ground *or* a sharpie. If you use a sharpie, you'll need some plastic tape as well. Other than that, you'll need a shallow glass or plastic dish that you don't intend to use for anything else ever again, some baking soda, and something to scratch away ground.

Since I find it easier, I'm going to focus on the sharpie method. If you use the ground, you'd paint it on, and then scratch off the ground where you want the material to be etched away. Clean the piece thuroughly, and then cover everything you don't want etched away. In practice, I've found that laying tape over the entire back, and then drawing the design on the front with a sharpie is the easiest way to go. Make sure that the drawn area is filled in completely. Anything that is not covered with marker or tape will be etched away.

Once you're happy with the design, dump the ferric chloride into your pan, and stick your material into the chemical face side down, and swirl things around every so often. In about 10-15 minues, there will be a perceptable difference between the depth of the etch and the surface of the material. You can etch it as much or as little as you like- eventually, it will eat all the way through the material, if that is what you are going for.

When you're ready, pull the piece out of the chemical and sprinkle it with baking soda to neutralize it. As far as I am aware, it should now be safe to rinse under the tap without messing up your plumbing, but use your own best judgement.

Remove the tape, and wash the entire thing with acetone or alcohol. This will remove the adhesive and the sharpie. You could be done now, depending on your inclinations, but I prefer a sharper contrast. I've heard that shoe polish is good for antiquing brass, but it doesn't work that well for me, so I've been spray-painting the face with flat paint, and then hand sanding the high points of the brass with

800-2000 grit sand paper with good results.

After that, you can epoxy the strip into the groove you cut in your turning, and proceed as normal. The etch is usually not all that deep, unless you let it soak for a pretty long time, so be sure not to sand it off when finishing up the piece. It's not a terrible idea to tape the brass as well, so that it does not get the same finish as the wood, and retains it's lustre and can be polished later if needed.

At any rate, it's about as easy as can be imagined, and well worth trying out if you're getting anxious to try something a little different with your turning. More information can be dug up with google searches for "intaligio etching" and "photochemical machining"

Have fun!

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Prometheus
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Sounds interesting, and could open up some the art form a little, but a bit more safety information is warranted regarding Ferric Chloride.

It is an extremely corrosive acid, which is why it works so well and so quickly. It eats ALL METALS except titanium and tantalum. Consider it the equivalent of strong Hydrochloric Acid and wear twice the safety gear you think you really need. Neutralizing it with baking soda makes some sense, but be aware that adding an alkali to an acid may cause an extreme reaction that results in tremendous foaming and boiling. Tap water is an alkali to varying degrees so even be careful diluting it. When diluting you commonly you add acid to water, not water to acid.

I have cleaned up too many hazardous spills resulting from someone thinking he can put a stainless steel valve on a ferric chloride tank, or "that's a chemical-rated pump, it should work" and so on. The stuff can be nasty.

The strength of the ferric chloride you are using may or may not be the same as what I was dealing with in an industrial setting so, in the absence of solid knowledge of what you are dealing with, do be careful.

This is not meant to convince people not to try this. JUST BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU DO!

David

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David Wade

OR - you could electrostrip with a less dangerous solution. Think electroplating in reverse - pulling metal off your piece into the solution and then onto a cathode.

OR - you can electroform - heavy plating that actually builds up off the surface. That can be done with copper using a copper sulfate solution which isn't corrosive.

You can do both electrostripping and electroplating with a battery or even a battery charger, though an electroplating unit with variable amperage gives better control over surface and rate of effect.

Electroforming can be done right on the piece - if it can be finished so that immersion in a copper sulfate solution won't raise hell. Paint with conductive paint, attach a copper wire to it and "grow" copper on the piece.

The rate of plating affects the surface texture you get. Low current gives a smooth surface - but slow "growth". Higher current puts down metal faster but often bumpy and nodular which can be really interesting.

And if you want to do hollow forms electroforming is great. Make a form out of wax, apply a conductive paint and grow copper over it. When you've got enough metal to hold the shape - and it doesn't take much - make two pin holes and melt out the wax. You can use different patinas to color the copper, or flash it with nickel then plate it gold or silver - or - with a little masking - some of both.

charlie b

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charlieb

It has to be weaker, considering what you've got posted above. When neutralizing the stuff from the art supply house with powdered baking soda, there is a very minor foaming action, but it is nothing dramatic. From what I understand of basic chemistry, I just sprinkle the powder on until it stops foaming and then rinse- if my quick and dirty understanding of it is correct, at that point has been converted to a salt, and should be safe to rinse away without any signifigant risk of explosions or eating away the household plumbing. There is almost certainly a difference in concentration between the industrial stuff and what is sold to any guy off the street through a chain of art supply stores.

There's no easy way that I'm aware of to test the concentration, as it is not labeled on the bottle. As with most anything, standard common sense safety precautions should rule the day- though I have gotten this particular stuff on exposed skin, and it certainly seems to be less reactive to flesh than, for instance, oven cleaner- but that doesn't mean I'd like it in my eyes...

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Prometheus

I saw some mention of this when researching the topic, but I had a basic gut-level reaction against immersing any metal in water. Probably something I did wrong when I tried whatever it was I was trying a long time back, but I found that any attempts of this nature made more mess than result. If memory serves, I may have been trying to remove rust with electrolysis, and ended up *ahem* "plating" more rust on then there was when I started...

This is probably the same sort of thing that David was running into in his post from an industrial perspective- as that is the only setting in which I've seen electroplating in action- but doesn't a reliable electroplating setup require a multi-step process that involves etching with boric acid, rinse, nickel plate, rinse, acid etch, rinse, and then your final plating? It should be noted that the only plating I've seen firsthand was soft gold, so it may have been more involved than copper or brass.

I ask in true curiousity here- being able to electroplate might come in very handy for me, especially if hard chrome is possible in a small shop. I know it can be done manually by timing each step and then moving your parts, but it's a much bigger setup to have six or seven different tanks, some of which are presumably heated, than it is to have a single chemical in a pyrex dish!

That could be very useful for toroids and globes, if a guy could afford enough copper to make a big Tesla coil... though that *is* straying pretty far from the topic. Might work good for that annual "what should I make for Christmas gifts" topic that inevitably comes up, too. It's be pretty classy to make pierced bulbs from brass with hardwood tops and bottoms- and probably easier on the tree limbs, too. (Yes, I am aware that you said copper, and I say brass- but as a personal preference, if I'm going to pay for semi-precious metals, I like them to be shiny whenever possible, and I'm just casually assuming the two are similar.)

Anyhow, I might try out the copper plating at some point in the future- I just thought the ferric chloride etch was incredibly easy to do, all things considered. And, I had to have it anyway to etch damascus steel, which is why I was looking into it at all in the first place.

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Prometheus

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