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You are going through a 3rd party, Google, and your browser to get to the news groups. Most of us can access the news groups directly though our e-mail program, like Outlook Express for example.

Google groups is an archive of the main (top level) ng servers but they only provide a web interface (CRAP IMO) and no nntp access

Your local ISP can't stop you accessing other news servers (free or otherwise) includng Google.

CYA Steve

A good news provider combined with a program specific to reading newsgroups means I see virtually no spam and have the ability to filter out what little gets through. As opposed to Google, which refuses to do anything at all about spam. (One of the reasons I kill anything originating from Google)

Ditto. Agreed. `Casper

not strictly true, steve, though here in the USA, they may not be legally able to do so - any collection point, be it an ISP, a local router, or one of the backbone providers can block access to any IP address, specifically including google. However, you point that the local ISP is not blocking access, merely terminiating a service (NNTP) is valid

There are two US news group servers - the main farm type - One East and one West. If they start or both go - it is back to dial up BB.

RIAA brought this on and they should be ashamed. Kill all for a few problems.

Mart>> When people say ISPs are dropping newsgroups does that mean they are

Ditto here also APN.

Rgds Phil.

I use glorb.net - $10 a year. I tried teranews - crappy service. SLow. Unreliable. Non-responsive support.

That's just silly talk.

And in 1986, I WAS getting USENET feeds over dialuip.

I think Martin is confusing the major peering points with server farms. The peering points are important to traditional Usenet (small sources), but probably don't matter as much in the age of giganews and such.

Still, it is sad that the early infrastructure could fade away.

I know all about the Internet - helped build it.

News groups are based on two farms - and if you are in the East you get it from the East farm - your ISP drags it down and provides it to you. If on the west it takes it from there.

The two try to sync from time to time, but the feed numbers are different. Each file has a number attached. Easily seen in a file on disk and easier under Unix.

I figure Giganews is a west coast ISP of sorts and drags it like Google etc and all of the universities as well.....companies from the west.

Harvard...Georgia...etc..... from the East.

When my ISP was providing news - they no longer - they merged with several other phone companies. Medium fish eating smaller fish. One of the smaller companies was on the west coast server while the others on the east.

I was, for a while, was getting double downloads and it was troubling.

Mart> >> "Mart>>

And yet you seem to confuse Usenet peering -- which predated the public Internet -- with the Internet.

Usenet groups are not based anywhere. They are decentralized and based on broad, nonhierarchical distribution.

Giganews is a Usenet provider, not an ISP at all. It provides no connectivity or transport.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:17:44 -0500, Bob Crawford wrote (in message ):

I'm piggybacking here, and quite late in the timeline of this thread - been on vacation and just got back.

My 2 cents' worth - My dad was a cemetery caretaker in Minnesota for many years - and here is the caveat, the experiences may be strictly local, and you will need to check the laws in your area. In Minnesota, the cremain is packed in a plastic bag which is then packed in a cardboard box, when you get the cremain back from the facility that did the cremation. The cremain is sterile. Cremation is considered "final disposal" and thus no need for vaults or coffins or caskets for final containment of the cremain. It is most likely the requirement of the cemetery or columbarium or whatever other commercial enterprise involved, which imposes a particular standard for the cremain container. In Minnesota, if you wanted to, you could put the cremain in any kind of container you wanted, and set it on a shelf in your own house, and there is nothing any government authority can say or do about it.

In my own experience, I made a turned vessel with a snug fitting lid which I then epoxied in place, only to preclude accidental spilling of the contents. Once I received the cremain from the crematorium, what I did with it was my own business and no one else's. Period. Check with your own local authorities, first.

tom koehler

Thanks for the reply Tom. Things here in Alabama are pretty much the same. If the plans are for the Urn to be left at the Cemetery, they do have certain guidelines, otherwise, it's all up to the family. I finished the request and the family was very pleased.

Bob Crawford

"tom koehler" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@news.frontiernet.net...

I got a similar request earlier this year. Google cremation urns and you will get a large number of sites tha show urns and dimensions - you don't really need to calculate cubic inches, etc. In this area, the commmon practice is to put the ashes in a plastic sealed bag (the ashes are hygroscopic) and the put the bag into the urn. I used a box joint, threading is not really necessary. Some funeral homes will use an adhesive to close the urn.

Kip Powers Rogers, AR

Thanks for the input Kip! I finished the project and all turned out well.

Bob

I got a similar request earlier this year. Google cremation urns and you will get a large number of sites tha show urns and dimensions - you don't really need to calculate cubic inches, etc. In this area, the commmon practice is to put the ashes in a plastic sealed bag (the ashes are hygroscopic) and the put the bag into the urn. I used a box joint, threading is not really necessary. Some funeral homes will use an adhesive to close the urn.

Kip Powers Rogers, AR