Oven cleaner & Sylvania 30 Watt 120VAC bulb (LED?)

Got me. I thought one needed oven clener.

Even if it's plugged in, isn't it easier to swithc off the breaker than to pull out the oven?

Wear a glove because of the glass left. If you can't twist that out, stab a long narrow screwdriver through the bulb's base and twist that. (Or use 2, like chopsticks?)

I hadn't realized it until you said it but it makes sense that the five hundred degrees is nothing to an incandescent filament.

I never thought about how hot the filament must be.

Looking it up, this first cite says it's over three thousand degrees F!

I suspect though the 2-1/2 inch wide thick screw-in glass case that was all around the outside of the bulb might have been leaking based on the "high water mark" I see on the bulb in these pictures I took for you.

I hope they make an "oven bulb" where the glass-to-metal part is what failed in this particular oven bulb.

I ended up using hose-clip (jesus clip) pliers. The kind that push outward when you squeeze the plier handles. Luckily the aluminum screw was not in tightly. It came right out.

I was more worried about being electrocuted so I shut down the whole home.

I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think, just ramps up the temperature to as hot as it can get - which seems to me to be brutal on these "normal" appliance 30W to 40W bulbs.

I think it's odd they're limiting teh heat in the wires to the 30W or 40W when the wires must be getting heated up to over five hundred degrees from the oven. Why not a 100W bulb for that matter? No big deal. I'm sure 30W or

40W is enough to see inside the oven (once I cleaned the glass that is).

I used straight ammonia - which seems to work reasonably well on the glass plate in the door of the oven. I wonder if the self-cleaning actually works.

Anyone use the self cleaning feature? Does it work?

If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home. It has been broken for so long that I don't even know how long it has been in there - but it has to be years.

The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a thermometer in the oven which hasn't arrived yet so I could SEE what the oven temperature really is.

Then I also bought a thermometer that goes into the fish or poultry or meat after it's pulled out of the oven - and I tried to get a water proof one but couldn't find any on Amazon.

It's a safety thing.

1. The oven thermometer was to check the temperature in the oven
2. The cleaning of the door glass was to see that oven thermometer
3. Then I realized the oven light was off so nothing could be seen
4. And then when the meat comes out - I can stab it with the other one

I was surprised that a thermometer can be inside an oven but not under water. Seems to me it should be able to take both heat and water.

What I wanted was a thermometer that will last forever without batteries.

This one doesn't 'seem' to have a plastic shell. But there is a big glass protective shell that you screw in around it. I have that big glass protective shell dunked in ammonia right now. It went from black to almost clear in a few hours of the ammonia.

Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven? It has black baked on crud everywhere.

The bulb is smaller. So I'll have to buy an "appliance" bulb. Which is OK. I just don't want it to melt like this one did in between where the metal is glued onto the glass from the heat.

Mine did and does. I had a Kenmore / Whirlpool when I used it a bunch of times, and now a GE, and I've used it once or twice. Definitely works well. Maybe you're supposed to clean up the ash after you run it but I never did.

Then how can you say it didn't last? Few things lasts forever.

Yikes.

YOu can complain to whoever is in charge.

Use the self-cleaning for gosh sakes. Why are you avoiding that? Depending on where you live, it's cold enough out now that it will supplement your furnace.

Ask any housewife and they will tell you that cleaning the oven is one of the worst cleaning jobs. That's why the previous owner bought self-cleaning. You won't be able to use the oven for 2 or 3 hours while it's cleaning, and another half-hour while it's cooling off. The door will be locked.

That was going to be my question. Why are you screwing around with ammonia when you can just use the self-cleaning feature? I haven't seen an oven without self-clean in about 30 years.

Yes, and yes. Your oven might be too far gone for the self-clean feature to be effective.

You haven't been maintaining the oven if it's crusted up with burned food.

I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other source of nutrition is available).

I suppose you can't jump in a time machine and properly maintain the oven to begin with.

Buy some oven cleaner. That's what it's for. It's formulated to stick to the oven walls while it works.

Don't try heating the oven while Easy Off is in there.

It's a terrible waste of energy befitting of a Republican, that's why.

It's like running your car on full throttle while it's idling in the driveway just to warm it up. Seems like an awful lot of wasted energy.

Isn't everyone claiming to be a Democrat worried about global warming? I guess not when it's not convenient they're not worried about it anymore.

Makes them liars. In the most cynical way.

Wasting energy isn't my thing.

But it does make liars out of the Democrats - so I guess that's what it's useful for (Democrats never tell the truth about anything which you can tell by watching what they do - which is never what they say they do).

Worse. It's never what they tell YOU to do. Usually backed up by a law that YOU have to follow.

But not them. It's how Democrats work.

Republicans too. Only they don't scream that they are trying not to waste energy.

They just waste it. By running their expensive self-cleaning ovens.

No liese there. Just honest to goodness waste of our resources.

They can afford to waste our resources. That's the difference between Republicans and Democrats in the main.

Both waste our resources. But one lies about it.

The other doesn't care. You pick which is best.

Damn waste of energy.

I've been looking up how the baking soda and vinegar works, and how the sodium hydroxide (lye) works - which is basically to turn the grease into soap by the saponification method.

That's less wasteful. And befitting of a Democrat.

I did look up how the self cleaning works though. As you said, it turns the grease into ash.

But only Democrats should use it because it proves they are all liars. And I love when that happens. :)

BTW, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. But I'm not a liar either.

Otherwise, I'd be a Democrat. Nor do I waste our resources. Otherwise I'd be a Republican.

I am making a point (albeit maybe too strongly) that if anyone _is_ a Democrat, then they are liars if they use the self-cleaning feature of the oven instead of elbow grease.

It's an absolutely terrible waste of energy.

Only Republicans should waste our energy because they can afford it. :)

People who use self-cleaning features of ovens and then they cry about global warming are why I don't plan on using the self-cleaning feature.

I just read the Consumer Reports on self-cleaning ovens. They say it works, but there are a lot of indications that it breaks the ovens too.

Consumer Reports specifically said one percent of the ovens break down due to the self cleaning feature being used.

That's a good thing. It's like you telling me I haven't wasted our precious water watering my lawn or washing my car or taking three or four baths a day.

Not wasting resources is a good thing. You seem to think it's a bad thing.

It's not. It's a good thing.

It's like a BBQ. It's _supposed_ to be all black.

You can tell others to waste their money - but I don't waste anything. I use the bones of the Tilapia as one of the layers of my fertilizer.

And yes, the fertilizer has _all_ the components that it should have. Pee. Poop. Kitchen scraps. And Tilapia.

If you don't make your own fertilizer, then you are wasting our resources becaue you have to use Nitrogen made by the Bessler process.

Which is something only Republicans can afford to do. And which is something only Democrats lie about saying they don't do it.

Bear in mind, both Democrats and Republicans are liars. They just lie in different ways.

The Democrats waste our resources but they cry about it. The Republicans waste our resources but they don't care about it.

You can choose which one you are - but I'm neither. I don't waste our resources if I don't have to.

You seem to think this "proper maintenenance" matters. It doesn't.

You clean it when it gets dirty. Just like you clean your penis.

Again. Oven Cleaner is a waste of resources. It's 1% lye and 99% wasteful crap that goes into the atmosphere.

I'll make my own lye with table salt in water plus two carbon electrodes and a 12VDC car battery if I have to but I'm not wasting our precious resources on highly marketed and packaged 1% ingredients like you suggest.

Consumer Reports suggested using ammonia but they also suggested not using too much because then the liquid spills down the _inside_ of the door glass, which is EXACTLY what happened to me when I used to much of it.

They also recommend leaving the ammonia inside in a non-aluminum bowl, to loosen the crud - which is what I'm doing now - so the fumes work.

They also said when you use the wasteful oven cleaner, it can kill your birds, and it can create carbon monoxide which can kill you so you need to keep a few windows open - which in the winter will waste even more energy.

People who waste energy should be Republicans because then they're not liars because Republicans don't care. Democrats say they care. But they lie.

Note that I'm being hard on both Democrats and Republicans to make the point that anyone who uses the oven cleaner and who _then_ cries about the environment is being duplicitous and therefore not true to their own words.

Self-cleaning ovens are such a small part of the problem. The chemicals you use are probably worse. Where do you think ammonia comes from?

No, it's not.

I don't fertilize anything. I don't water my lawn. Assume much?

When it gets dirty. Not when it's completely crapped up with burned-on filth.

If I had a penis, I might spout complete bullshit.

And ammonia isn't?

Jesus, you're an idiot.

Are people confusing the self cleaning and continious cleaning ovenr ?

I can necer remember which is which but one runs the oven at high heat for a couple of hours. I doubt the Easyoff will do much damage to that kind. I have one like that the other has some kind of coating that the cleaners like Easyoff will destroy. I am not sure how that one works to stay clean.

I don't use the oven much and as I said, I've used self-cleaning a bunch of times, maybe 6 times in 40 years. How much environmental damage does

6 times do in comparison to everything else I do? We're only suggesting to you that you use it once.

I don't cry about global warming. I think we've already lost the battle and there will be dire consequences. We can delay them somewhat, but I don't dicuss it.

Below you say 1%. How is this not like incandescent light bulbs that burn out when you turn them on. Does that mean turning on a light bulb burns it out? It's just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

This is a popular response technique. I don't know if it's listed in the list of logical fallacies, but it should be. That is:

Cindy writes about one specific thing that you consider *wasting* resources, and you reply about any sort of extra use of resources, as if Cindy had written about the group of them.

And here you do it again. Cindy said nothing of the sort.

And who says that it's wasting? Why is it wasting anymore than any other use of resources? YOU are the one complaining about caked on dirt on your oven. If you or the previous owner had cleaned it more often, it wouldn't be like that. So it's failure to use resources, either Easy Off and human effort or Self-cleaning, that created the problem you are complaining about. --- So now the question is, is using self-cleaning worse for moral or environmental reasons, without corresponding benefit, than cleaning it by hand. Should one drive downtown when he can drive to a bus-stop and take a bus? Should one drive to a city an hour away when he can drive to the bus station and take a bus? May one mow the lawn with a power lawn mower or must he use a manual one? Should one accept a job that requires driving a car 60 minutes when he could take a worse job that is 30 minutes away? There are hundreds of such questions involving use of resources.

What? You were the one who started this by complaining about it, weren't you?

And no, the oven is not supposed to be black inside. In the best possible world, it would look like it did when it was new.

First I heard about this, Cindy. I thought if you cooked the fish until the translucent flesh turned white, that was enough. ??????

I'm sure you do. I too try not to waste anything. My parents grew up poor and I was raised that way. But it's inevitable. Even my parents ended up wasting sometimes.

Do you wash dishes under running water, instead of using a dishpan filled with water and soap and another for rinsing? Washing under running water is wasteful.

Do you use the dish washer for mildly dirty dishes without a full dishwasher. This requires algebra and 4 variables but sometiems it's wasteful to use the dishwasher, certainly if it's not full. I think sometimes it's the opposite of wasteful but I'm not sure.

LOL

ROTFLOL

There is a recent notion that if one uses the "proper" medical term for a person's private parts it's acceptable to discuss them in mixed company. That is not true. It's a degradation of society not to use a euphemism.

When you use soap, it all goes down the drain. Isnt that wasteful?

That was Cindy's point, "[Oven cleane is] formulated to stick to the oven walls while it works."

Goo to know, but I don't have any birds (and I use self-cleaning)

In the winter, the heat of self-cleaning means your furnace doesn't run as much.

Baloney. Being inconsisstent is not the same as being duplicitous, and in the cases you're describing the inconsistency is accidental, so it's even farther from duplicitous.

I've had no trouble with standard appliance bulbs. I've only self-cleaned about 6 times, but 6 is quite a bit.

If room temperature is within the range of the thermomter, compare the ones for sale and take the one with the mean or modal temperature.

Killfile the moron and move on.

Some woman undercooked tilapia and got flesh-eating bacteria.

There's some question as to whether it came from the tilapia:

It doesn't matter to me. Tilapia tastes like shit and I wouldn't eat it at any stage of doneness.

Yes, that's the continuous cleaning. I had one for 25 or 30 years and I really liked it. You don't have to do anything.

It has a porous coating and the splatter gets on it but I think spreads out enough that using the oven later makes it burn off. So once the oven gets a little dirty, it's never perfectly clean again, but it's not your fault and YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. What could be better than that? I'm not sure they still make them.

In my case, I think something greasy in the oven, maybe a pan I kept using without cleaning, got too hot and caught fire and that a) burned off part of the coating, b) ruined the thermostat, iirc. I thought about finding a new thermostat and repairing it, but I also put an ad online somewhere. I explained that I had had a fire, and of all things, someone looking for firewood saw my ad and called me and sold me pretty cheaply a spare oven he had. I couldn't buy one new because they didnt' sell harvest gold color anymore. He was selling his so he could buy a white one for his mother-in-law, who lived with him, I think in a ground-level basement apartment. Maybe this was craig's list,

I doubt that there was ever an actual oven behind this rant. He's probably just trolling.

Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.

'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.

The seafood you mention are scavengers and were built to process what they find on the floor.

Tilapia are not built that way and are often farmed near sewage outlets, not the wild poop crabs eat. The blame, IMO, mostly goes with the cheap way they are farmed. I'd not put one on my plate.