Corinabeads and challenges

I'm quite serious--it wouldn't be a great house, but I could do that here. To get a great house, I'd have to go for a 2 bedroom house--but it would come with lots of extras!

Even rentals here are amazing--for example, my own home--$350 (plus $35 a month for the land care, cause we have no lawn equipment) for a 3 bedroom, 1 bath, Big kitchen, full sized laundryroom and attached mud room.

If I recall correctly you can also get a very nice hotel room for under $20 a night.

Tina

"~Candace~"

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "~Candace~" :

]> Are you serious - you can buy a four bedroom home for less than the ]> cost of a car? That's astonishing.

yep. been there. seen that. it's because the wages are so low.

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "~Candace~" :

]Even rentals here are amazing--for example, my own home--$350 (plus $35 a ]month for the land care, cause we have no lawn equipment) for a 3 bedroom, 1 ]bath, Big kitchen, full sized laundryroom and attached mud room.

and in Sacramento, that's $1000/month.

I never thought of the word collectible to refer to the resale value - it depends on the collector.

Holy F***!!! Here, we pay $1300/mo. for a 1500 square foot 2 bedroom without a garage! And that's low, because we are out in the hills! In the suburbs of Seattle, a house like mine would rent for upwards of $2000 per month. Of course, in Portland, the housing is a little lower because the wages aren't as high. I was in shock when I came here from Oregon 2 years ago. I can't imagine getting a big house for $400 per month. Wow.

No - it made her angry. Read her chat - people did say that and she was offended by it. And I don't blame her. Just because her art is popular doesn't mean there is a cult. Not attacking you, Lori - just ticked off at the idea that people can call the admiration of art a cult.

No.....she wrote about it on her website. She was reading a German beadmaker's forum, and they were trashing her there - which is stupid, because Corina is German and knows some of those people.

Yep. The higher the bar is raised the more beadmakers out there have a chance at getting a higher price even at the mid-range or lower end of the market. It helps everyone except us poor bead buyers. :-)

-Su

Yes! I think it's one of those sort of situations where people invest in an intangible simply because someone else tells them it will be worth more. They don't buy it because they like the item but merely for a chance to resell it for a profit. That's great, making a profit on something, I have no problem with profits, but it muddies up the issue of art for art's sake too.

I was fortunate that the doll I made was for the fun of making it, and the lady who bought it would never sell it as she bought it because she loved the way I did the work. I would feel the same way about making beads, that the biggest thing is doing it because I like it. Of course there's an aspect of creating something to sell it but that is not the same as creating something simply for the "collector's" market. There's something pretty soulless to me about all those thousands and thousands of exactly-alike dolls or statues or chess sets or whatever that sit and gather dust while someone waits for them to rise in price.

I'd rather be an artist than a producer of 'collectibles' any day.

-Su

Make her give you beads to apologize!

-Su

Our house also sits on about 2 acres of land. Plus, the lot next to us is all green grass and OLD huge trees, and we have free run of it. Our landlord owns this entire block:)

threads....SHOES.)

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Su/Cutworks" :

]It helps everyone except us poor bead buyers. :-)

good point. because you have to find the right jewelry market for the beads in the jewelry!

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 4:31:33 -0400, Su/Cutworks wrote (in message ):

It helps bead-buyers too. If the prices are reasonably high, talented people can afford to keep lampworking - when prices are dirt cheap, they can't earn enough to make the lampworking worthwhile. You'll also get more people making beads on a full time basis, which means they get lots of practice and make nicer beads.

The only real responsibility we have as buyers is to be really fussy about what we buy. If we refuse to accept crap, we force beadmakers into making good stuff and to keep learning new and better skills. When I look at Bead and Button mags from ten years ago, it shocks me how well, crummy the beads were. Making dots was considered the epitome of skill.

I compare the top-tier of lampwork today (say in "1,000 Beads") to that of a decade ago, and that stuff isn't even close to the same league. The art is evolving, and getting better. By insisting on buying good stuff, and paying a fair price for it, everyone benefits. That doesn't always mean buying from top "names," it means buying items that are on the cutting edge of the art, no matter who made it.

Buying technically decent but not top-tier stuff from beginning lampworkers is important to this equation as well: new people usually need to sell their beads to buy materials and develop their skills. I like buying from newbies - I get nice beads at a nice price, even though they aren't breathtaking works of art, they're great for making into jewelry that I'm not afraid to wear.

Kathy N-V

My god, that is so transparent and pathetic it cracks me up! Don't these people realize that trash talking only makes *them* look bad?? It makes them look oh so green... with envy! Lol!

"IN" Bawlmer would be the critical phrase here.... :-) My guess would be it's not in the newly gentrified areas of the city, and it may be a while before it's inhabitable, let alone a safe neighborhood. But those reclamation projects have to start somewhere.

Kar>

I'm not taking it personally because I'm not the person that said it. I chuckled at the fact that someone thinks that. It's probably a word that shouldn't be thrown around lightly though, given what it really means.

Ok, I just went and read it. Lots of others have said it but I haven't yet...that is just sad. In usual fashion, as Fran said, it shows more about the person saying it than the person it's being said about. I don't usually comment about what other people are saying (or do i?) but when I read how it affected the person directly, that makes me sad to see someone hurt....anyone!

It does make me happy to see a 'patriotic' sense of this country though and our strengths being shown, given what was recently shown in a chat as our weaknesses. Ahhhh, I love the internet.