Re: ATTENTION: Julia

saw noone , Bless us ALL with:

Julia: Why do you lie like that? >

Too easy to answer that one..BUSINESS. Fact.. "business people" lie, constantly(in the holistic sense of that word). In fact they do many more 'bad things' to retain the patronage of Joe Public. They even form whole other 'businesses' to "lie" for them, all set to mislead Joe Public. Take five to check out the Software Alliance organisations as just one example of that activity.

There is your answer buuut there is another reason for my response to your 'question'. I have received email from a long term member [ABCP] regarding the appearance of Julia, email that was highly critical of the way the whole Julia Saga was handled by participants in the threads. I sought background from yet another long term member and received no response. Taking that as a "Buggered if I know" I went looking myself. I have spent some time combing through the whole Julia Saga, including gaining an anonymous SSL tunnel to the JuliaNeedles Yahoon Froup.

I came to 2 (two) conclusions.

JuliaNeedles is running a business, no different to thousands of other "two bit digitisers"(sic) who have and do run these online homey type forums. [Remember the "Heidi" embroidery email rings??] You accept "the Business" as part of contributing to those forums or you leave that scene well alone. Your choice, no one forces anyone to sign up for these Group Hugs. FWIW I found (from cruising that forum) that JN is one of the more liberal of these types of forums and I am of the opinion the person emailing me is wrong in their claim of Dictatorial status, being most likely one of the "disgruntled" that Julia speaks of in posts to that Froup. That said..IF you sign up for these Froups and then use the same details in posts to UseNET NGs like ABCP, expect to "get into trouble", you have none to blame but yourself as there is ample warning given here in FAQs about staying anonymous, everywhere:/

As it is topical to the reasons Julia began trolling this NG I have included below just a part of discussion on copyright available on the JN Yahoon Froup. Seems very plain to me the ground rules are laid out?

$$__re: copyrights $$__ $$__ $$__--- In snipped-for-privacy@yahoogroups.com, "hollys $$__carlo.southernbelle" wrote: $$__> $$__> I want to be sure I get this right. I can sell or give away the $$__>things I put the design on as long as I don't sell the design Is $$__>that right??? I don't sell things right now, but I have a feeling $$__>when I make a bag for this friend to carry some people are going to $$__>ask to buy one. $$__ $$__

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$$__HI Holly I have this information on my website. It is very liberal $$__and simple. Here is the link.. $$__

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$$__>You can sell things you make as long as they aren't copyrighted characters $$__>like Disney designs, or cartoon characters, etc., basically anything youmight $$__>see in the movies or on TV. If in doubt, ask the person who did the actual $$__>digitizing, or check out their website, usually their policy is stated ontheir $$__>website. Other than copyrighted characters, in general MOST digitizers allow you $$__>to sell the items you stitch, although if you get into mass production many may $$__>have limits on quantity. $$__>Cathy Clark $$__ $$__In addition to this excellent advice, I would like to add my humble opinion that $$__most reputable digitizers are only too willing to reiterate their copyright $$__policies to their buyers. If you bought the design from someone who won't $$__answer your questions, don't take a chance in embroidering that design on an $$__item to sell! $$__ $$__Mari

The whole of the Julia Saga was handled as a Troll Fest, again... completely negative in impact on the function of this NG. Disappointing as it was to see a very few respected members participate after the standard welcome was issued,, their contribution was minimal and understandable. It is the sudden appearance of "Unknowns" that had me scratching my head. Do the yards yourself and go figure just where these nyms popped from..it is not difficult to see a pattern from this lot: , , , , , , . Then we have some irregular contributors: - a well recognised Sock of Gymmy Bob//JP Bengi - identified as a waste of space at the first post I predict we wont be seeing this one again, I feel a nym switch coming on.

- well we all know Frank likes a giggle, so no harm done? The others I wont name here, you know who you are and maybe will take heed next time this type of crap starts and keep well out of it. When the nym appearing is unknown AND passively aggressive in structure of comment..leave the thread/post alone. We will ALL benefit in the long run.

In closing, from the JN Yahoon Froup I found discussion that was also mentioned here in the trolling posts. I include that below and Xpost the whole post to our Sister NG as I do believe this is the type of discussion these NGs could well be used for. As none of the alt hierarchy Groups are censored in any way it is only here that reasonable folk can air their opinion on work they have either purchased or been given as a sampler/taster. Discussion works for other NGs and with the exception of the "quick to get nasty" types it should be an active part of these NGs. Think about it.

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