Just because Bush has said he doesn't want the help doesn't mean the people of American, and particularly Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama don't want it.
Please don't tar us all with the same brush.
-- Jere
No, I shouldn't, you are right.
I'm curious to know what else has been refused. Condi Rice is saying no reasonable offer will be refused which seems to be the exact opposite of what Bush is doing.
CNN is now report> Not sure if anyone else posted this - Australia (via Prime Minister JOhn
Hell's bells, red neck hunters can mobilize to go huntin pigs in the swamp within 24 hours notice - plus they could bivouac for a few days without any support from an aircraft carrier - except for maybe a load of Coor's!
Fred
Tia Mary wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@individual.net:
The Crescent City connection (I-90) -- which is the way you reported Olwyn Mary got out of the city -- goes right by the convention center. It just means coming in from the west bank where there wasn't any flooding. The Superdome was, at least at one point, surrounded by water, however.
I still say if the reporters can get in, why can't the Marines?
K
I don't disagree and I think that how the help has been declined was ungracious. But I won't pretend to be unbiased. Anyway, I only really posted because you asked for a specific example of help being declined and I knew of one. Now the official stance is that all help will be accepted which makes more sense in terms of a public face, anyway. Specifics can be dealt with by the appropriate agencies. The president's job, to my mind, is to graciously thank all those who have sent condolences or offers of aid, like the lion who allowed the mouse to remove a splinter from his paw.
Elizabeth
Dr. Brat wrote: ....... Now the official stance is that all help will be
I honestly would *really* like to know why previous offers of aid were declined. I mean, while "W" does suffer from severe hoof & mouth disease most of the time, he usually tries to be just a bit more tactful. I mean he IS a Texan and, while they can be brash, they are
*usually* polite. As I said before, we hear what the media wants us to hear. "W" telling folks we don't need help and Condy Rice saying we'll take whatever we can get -- AHHHH ain't big government grand -- LOLOL!!?? Oh and I would be willing to bet that, regardless of *what* was declined or accepted, it wouldn't have been right. This is REALLY a situation of damned if you do and damned if you don't -- we would be judged as taking too much or too little. Of even more interest, at least to MOI, would be to find out WHY in the world people were sent to the Convention Center and FEMA didn't' know about it. THAT was just plain criminal IMNSHO -- a far more grievous error than anything else that's been done during this whole disaster! I was talking to DH about my imaginary scenario of space heaters & down comforters and he made a good point. It's so blamed humid along the Gulf most of the time that the space heaters wouldn't dry anything out -- just encourage the growth of mold -- LOL! You end up with damp moldy WARM houses. Seriously, I really doubt of any of those lovely older homes that have been stewing in flood waters will ever be the same :-( .
Generators Lucille , Generators running on any possible thing ,,, You might be surprised at how inventive people can be in Areas of disasters ,,,,Not having Electricity , is a strange excuse for not trying and do some thing ,,, cars left standing with the Petrol in their tanks , broken wood , Solid fuel rescuers bring with them etc,,,
mirjam
Tia -Mary ,, if they wait for routing docking and other convinient things like that , they are dooming many a person to possible death or a life long invalidity .....the Thngs on this ship are NEEDED NOW , at this hour , not tomorrow , the ship can get as close as possible , than use Helicopters , little barges and if needed even carried on person`s backs ,,, to the needy . mirjam
Gas may be expensive (which is relative) - but surely not as expensive as letting your house rot. Here (although it was a long time ago, as I said) I`m 99.9% certain that "Gas" was provided by the local authorities, as was an awful lot of assistance.
The thing that really makes me upset is how particularly awful it is for the women who have the sort of hygiene problems that only women can have, if you see what I mean. My DH (typically male) was horrified at that thought, which hadfn`t even struck him. Poor, poor souls. I mean, it`s even easier and less awkward for a man to pee in such situations.
Pat P
And it`s so easy for us to sit at our safe, dry, computer desks, to make judgements over what is/is not should/should not be done. Flood is so depressing and invasive, unless you have been close to it, you really can`t take in the demoralisation of it, and how glad you are for ANY help and kindness.
Pat P
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Precisely - I know exactly how I felt two years ago after our hurricane, with no power and consequentally no water. At least I still had my roof over my head though.
Speed is of the essence.
Certainly when I was in the UK visiting and my aunt was collecting shoe boxes of gifts for women in Bosnia (at the time) feminine hygene products were high on the list. Tampax was discouraged because apparently they were not in common use so it was thought better to send sanitary napkins. The boxes were to be filled and marked on the outside as to whom they were for - ie. Male teenager - Female teenager etc.
I found it a nice thing to do. The boxes were then taken by container and easy to hand out in Bosnia. It enabled one to have just a slight personal touch.
Good point, Pat -- every time I go out of this house, I find people who have evacuated -- our town is full of them. And I sit at my nice, dry, cool computer desk.
These are unfailingly nice, polite people, who have simply lost everything.
At Barnes & Noble yesterday, there were two women coming in the front door, commenting they'd become regulars very soon -- I asked if they were from south of us, and they replied, yes, Bay St. Louis.
So we proceeded to have quite a conversation -- she said she had finally heard from a friend, who told her not even to come home, because there's no town there any more, nothing, not a thing.
And she was sweet and smiling and polite while she was telling me all this. It just broke my heart.
The organization my dh works for owns 6 houses in back of their property -- they had planned to tear these down to expand their facilities. They are temporarily donating these for use by families during this crisis time, and my dh and I will be furnishing a bedroom in one of the houses. The company will also hold a "pounding" -- a term used for when people bring things, originally a pound of something, flour, sugar, etc. -- but which now means something more like a housewarming, and they are being encouraged to bring anything folks who have lost everything can use -- clothes, food, furniture, linens, children's toys, etc.
I like the idea of feminine hygiene products, and will remember this.
-- Jere
If they are like every other new bureaucracy - they will have spent a lot of time, and money, equipping and setting up offices. Leather chairs for those at the top of the pile, cloth for lower downs - you know the routine lol
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:01:14 -0500, "Fred" wrote: What news channel? Who said it?
Cars standing with petrol are under water and I don't think wet gas would be of any great help--starting fires with broken wood might cause more problems with the smoke and starting a fire from wet wood probably would be if not impossible, very difficult. Solid fuel I know nothing about so I can't possible answer with any knowledge on the subject.
I think now the focus needs to be on evacuating all the people, setting them up in housing that they can stay in for at least a few months and providing the necessities like food and clothing and, of course taking care of any medical needs they might have.
I'm sure I'm leaving our a lot of things that should be done, but not being an expert I don't feel comfortable with just saying any old thing.
Lucille>
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