OT: Pennsylvanian killings

I'm not sure why you're attacking me, but please know that I never said a breeder is the only way to go. Did you ever try to get a little dog from a shelter? It's pretty near impossible and being a very small lady I was afraid I wouldn't be able to handle either the size or the exercise needs of a large dog.

If you know a place that only handles little dogs, please tell me for future reference and I shall be delighted to share the info with my senior citizen friends.

For whatever reason you seem to be ignoring my saying that it's horrid that the children were hurt and/or killed and nothing could be worse.

What I'm finding shameful is that you (who I think might reside in PA) doesn't research what I'm saying and see for yourself that the world isn't quite what you want it to be.

Enough said--

Is it possible that no one noticed my apology for putting these two things in one note and saying how badly I felt about the kids?

Lucille

snipped-for-privacy@domain.invalid,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

Too damn bad you don't read very well, shame on you !

I noticed it, Lucille, and thank you for that.

Shame nothing. I've had animal shelter dogs, even volunteered in one for many years. But I got my current pure bred dogs for a specific purpose. And I chose them very carefully and love them very much. There's nothing shameful about a well-bred purebred.

I also didn't see where Lucille said it was the only way to go. I don't think a purebred is the only way to go, but if I'm getting a purebred, I'm sure as hell not getting it from a puppy mill.

Elizabeth

Too little - too late. No point in apologising - you`ve made it clear what you think.

Pat

What ???? If I still remember how to read my first post was 6:35 pm and my second, with the apology, was 7:06 pm.

Could I ask a favor of you. Please put me back in your killfile.

It`s not a matter of time! It was too late the instant you hit send! LOL! As for the rest - I can`t be bothered - YOU do it! ;-)

Pat

Pat

Congrats, Cheryl, for having your children in schools that have made this a priority. I'd sleep better if I knew all schools were like this. In California, my childrens' elementary schools were wide open as is all classrooms opened to the outdoors - no interior hallways. Yes, visitors were supposed to stop by the office and register. But I've never been challenged in 13 years of walking into schools in a number of states.

Donna in Virginia

On 10/4/06 9:19 AM, in article snipped-for-privacy@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Donna" wrote: snippage

While I don't mind the idea of checking in at the office or even signing in, I hate having to wear a stick on tag - the teachers and such seem to ignore the tag. I've literally been run down and told to stay away for stepping on the playground wearing my volunteer badge (in color of the day) while setting up an enrichment program by some over zealous new hire paraprofessional who didn't read the day's schedule. (such out the ordinary things are on the daily calendar posted in teacher's room and required reading.) Meanwhile three kids who know me are in tears because Ms. M is screaming at Mrs. Isaak while trying to get another teacher (who did know me and had greeted me by name once already) to call the police. How you can miss a 5 inch square day glow orange badge on a white shirt was never explained. I never got an apology either. She thought the towels I had to dry the seats at the outdoor classroom were "odd" and why should she know that the third grade had an outdoor program that day.

I find being treated with suspicion every time I walk in the door at the middle or high school distasteful. Most of the time, I don't even carry a purse or wear a coat regardless of the weather, so there is no place to hide something "dangerous". Last spring, when the nurse called for me to come get DS, he had the stomach bug that was sweeping the school. When I looked up the hall to find him (he had gone to get his backpack) I wasn't allowed to approach my son while he was throwing up in the hallway 50 feet away. The "monitor" had to call the nurse to have her come escort him. She wouldn't even bring him the plastic bag the nurse had given me for the ride home. She made him stand there and be further humiliated instead while she "guarded" the school against my presence.

I trust the professionals that work in my kids' schools to know who should be there and who shouldn't be after a few visits.

Cheryl

Definitely a YMMV issue.

The New York high school I attended umpty-ump years ago had security guards roaming the halls while I was there. The doors were rigged so that you could get OUT (in case of fire), but could not be opened from outside without a key.

There was only one way in while school was in session, and that door was immediately adjacent to the office and the guidance office, the two places outsiders should be going, and you would be watched to be sure you went there.

And that was a long long time ago that we had school security.

That's going too far. I'd call that cruelty to the child. For him to be sick and be able to see his mother and have her restrained from coming to his aid is simply inhumane on the part of the monitor.

So, why DID you have to interject this? Got an axe to grind with the Amish?

Worse as he's a teen and having to stand there when classes were due to change. I did have a word or two with the principal, did not do much good. He doesn't like parents at the school; they interfere with learning.

Cheryl

I was just wondering why some people who have crawled out from under their rocks to attack me don't use real names. Is it that they're ashamed to, or are they just trying to stir up trouble, or maybe this is the way they amuse themselves?

Sign me curious

It is how you amuse yourself. goose/gander - good for?

Oh, good golly, I thought by October all the teenage trolls were back in school.

THEY have nothing to be ashamed about. It was you who added the nasty taste to the thread - not that you`ll read this if you followed my suggestion.

Pat

Ditto for me. I've had both purebreds - always from a breeder - and a reputable one that we know or friends know. And we've had rescue dogs that are just as loved. But, you have to meet your needs - have a pet that suits you in size and temperament.

Absolutely. The reason your hearts go out to so many pups in the mall pet stores - frequently from some mill. Puckster, our English Springer, came from a breeder that is a friend of a friend (acquaintance of ours). DH wasn't sure - until he saw the puppies - and we were amazed (I'd already been). The canine family interacted like a human family - even dad was in the mix playing with the little ones. The breeder refers to this pairing as a "love match" . They've had one more litter, and now had the bitch spayed

- she was hit by some very bad driver who veered into them on a walk - turning the car and forgetting about lanes! Puckster's mom was seriously injured, but is doing well now - we found out from our mutual vet. Anyhow - on the breeder point - we agreed not to breed our boy until we put him through a set of certification tests - cardiac, eye, and hip x-rays - to ensure that he's a healthy fellow. And if that doesn't work out, then we'll rescue a companion for him (honestly, he's about the best dog I've ever had

- and we'd love to have his offspring).

Yup - we're pretty much in agreement. It was unfortunate that Lucille's message got kind of twisted. I think I'll go hug the dog!

ellice