OT - Words

The translation into greek was Supervised by aChristian priest , hence it was swayed to agreewith the Christian ideas or to seprate it from some Jewish ideas mirjam

Bruce ,,,, Beth El is not a word it is a name of a real PLACE ,,, like London How would you react if i will misspell your Place name ,, ps i have so much respect for your name`s place , that i don`t dare to pronounce it before i will hear some English person say it aloud ,,, And Ps why should i look at bible versions ,,, wha is wrong with reading it in the original language ?mirjam

No , i am not prejudiced againsst them i just can see the difference between them and the original ,, mirjam

Elizabeth i am a fiberartist that is true ,, but i was also a librarian,,, and i learned Tanach through all my years of schooling ......read it for 58 years , i use it daily in my speech , in my geography , in my lingustic use , in my images , it is woven inside my mind hear and soul.....the Tanach [ not only the Torah Trish ,, but all three parts Torah [ the 5 books] , Neviem [the prophets] Ktuviem [ scriptures ] hence Tanach ,,,,, i know it very well even if i am not a Biblical scholar .. mirjam

and ps thank you for admitting you are fighting with me ,, i am not fighting with you i answer your letters, some of which are unkind ....

Not mis-spelt but adapted for the English language - just as we call our capital city "London" whereas French folk would call it "Londres". Placenames also get adapted and/or corrupted over time. For example, Gibraltar was originally Jebel Al Tariq (Tariq's mountain). They also get changed - there was a tiny village not far from where I was brought up, its original name was Buggesworth (named in the 13th century after Ralph Bugge, of Nottingham). The 'ge' was slowly dropped during the 17th century, becoming 'standardised' in the 19th century as Bugsworth. In

1930 the inhabitants re-named it Buxworth because they didn't like the connotation of "bugs", implying pestilence.

Well of *course* you should be proud to be able to read your Tanach. And why *should* you call it 'Old Testament'? No one's asking you to! We call it that among ourselves because we speak English and to us it's 'Old Testament'.

What do you want? All English-speaking Bible-readers to learn Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek (thank you, Elizabeth) so they can read your authentic Tanach? I'm afraid that's not going to happen. Whether you like it or not, at this point in history English is the language of the world and everything needs to be translated into English to suit that fact. Of course that may change and if/when it does, I'm sure the Bible will be translated appropriately.

We all learn from each other , willing or not. >

I don't want to learn from you. Your constant desire to take offence and sow discord is beyond belief and frankly, downright ugly! I have a piece of news for you: you are not the custodian of the fountain of all knowledge! Finer minds than yours translated the scriptures for English speakers and we are satisfied with them. You may feel that is not a valid thing to do, but we don't care! We're not living in Israel and we don't have to satisfy you.

Because it suits me to, obviously! There's no law against using anglicisisms is there? I can see you sneer at people who don't speak Hebrew and that's unkind of you. Another good reason not to learn

*anything* from you!

Yes, dear, and if you'd read the historical articles you'd understand why any references to Scottish skirts are wrong. But I don't mind if you keep saying 'Scottish skirt' because I can see that your grasp of traditions other than your own is very scanty. I don't expect you to change to suit me and it doesn't matter.

Well, of course! Why do you call my questions 'assumptions'? I was

*asking* for correction in order not to make 'assumptions'.

I haven't said you insulted me, I said you offended me: there's a difference.

Why would anyone want to learn from someone with such a divisive attitude as yours??? Why do you assume (there's that word again) that people ought to turn to you automatically for knowledge when a more reliable source is available?

Rather like it has to be a Scottish Skirt. Shoes on the other foot now of course.

Nope. They're read to me in Church and, frankly, I often don't listen. I'm a muso and am usually taken up with that while Mass is going on.

No it didn't. Jesus happened to be a Jew and had a Jewish upbringing, that's all. Why should it follow that Christianity is somehow a bowdlerised version of Judaism? That's not logical. Didn't Jesus come to

*teach* the Jews of newer forms? The Jews chose not to follow him and that's cool by me. Why should they if they didn't want to?

You can blame all those dratted apostles for taking Christianity to the rest of the world: it's their fault they felt it appropriate to translate the scriptures, not mine.

Why does it matter? Why are you banging on and on about it? Who cares? I care approximately as much as you care about the correct name for 'Scottish skirts'. It won't kill me if you continue to use the misnomer and it won't kill you if I don't bother to learn the myriad names of your Israeli towns. Why are we arguing? Who cares?

Oh my! Were you there? Fancy that! You certainly carry your age well!

Of *course* it was swayed to agree with Christian ideas!!! (Yodelling) It was a Christian translation!!! If Christianity weren't separated from Jewish ideas, we'd all be Jewish wouldn't we? But we're not. I have a suspicion that was what Jesus had in mind: I think he was the First Protestant.

You might feel like I feel when you INSIST a kilt is a Scottish skirt.

So you say, but I know that's not true.

Elizabeth

Did the ancient Hebrews used the Latin alphabet when writing the Tanach? Hyphens and all?? This whole thread is just too hilarious to ignore....

LMAO, Jinx

"Trish Brown" wrote .

Oh thank you sooo much Trish. Now instead of several things that need doing around my house on my days off I will be seeking Google driving directions between Kurri Kurri and Woy Woy. Dawne, whose province includes Elbow, Eyebrow, and.....Climax

That must be why Blue Ball is all the way over in Pennsylvania.

Elizabeth (whose favorite is Gnaw Bone, IN)

Trish It is you who keeps accusing , spreading hateful words, i am just stating the pure historical facts , We happened to be the people of the book and it is a natural part of our langugaue and heritage, and it speaks about events that happened here and around here. And nobody accuses you of anything , why jump on the apostles or aon anybody else ,, all i said was that the Name of a place was written in 2 seprate words , i also checked for your benefit and my understanding, and saw and wrote here !!! that it seems that Jewish organizations write it in it`s Hebrew way in 2 words , while most but not all Christian organizations write that name place in as if it is one word.... and you answer in a stream of hatred, all your prejudices come out . There is nothing wrong with saying the Historical fact that Christianity Developed from Judaism You yourself Agre that Jesus was a Jew, so why is it ok for YOU to say it and Not Ok for Me to say it ,,,, Christianity was `so to say ` Sown` when the Greeks took Israel , the friction between Judaism and helenism is the first layer of the future Christaininty ,, later it took in some neo Helenism as well as some paganism ,,,, If stating historical facts makes you uneasy it is your problem .. have a nice time ,,,, mirjam

And at least when I'm unkind, it is usually in the service of being clever or funny, while you are simply unkind and rarely clever or funny.

I am glad I am off to bed, since I will have to take this shirt off anyway now that I have dribbled coffee down it. Thanks Elizabeth

Dawne