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Since I'm the one that used the term persnickety, though I do believe someone else had recently used it in a post - which is why it came to my mind - let me clarify. This below is the original post of mine, with Elizabeth's comment to which I was responding:

  • True, with regard to correctness - which then comes into persnicketyness
  • versus accepted practices. Yes, but having linen in it's own category
  • doesn't say it's not an evenweave. You know - one of those set and logic
  • things - and linen may be an evenweave, but all evenweaves are not linen.
  • ;^p (or should it be r,d,& h)

My response, complete with the little smiley at the end - was that indeed the common vernacular isn't always correct. Not that specifically in this instance it is incorrect. The next part, referring to persnicketyness - has to do with being particular with respect to a specific absolute of correctness when compared with using a common vernacular. As in accepting only a specific term, rather than also accepting terminology in common usage which may be less precise, formal, historically rooted, etc. The common vernacular may not be as precise. I expect, hope, that Elizabeth knew I wasn't being dismissive, nor was I insulting her.

Furthermore, I believe that I have made it more than clear that my usage of the common vernacular, which you, Dianne, may feel is slovenly, slang, imprecise, and beneath you , is neither an indication of my unwillingness to gain or share knowledge, nor to indicate my insecurity or feelings of elitism. And, if one were going to infer slights and condescension from posts, then clearly yours towards me would provide models of that form.

We don't have to agree about use of language. If you don't like the commonly accepted one, I'm sure you're capable of informing and reminding those in your sphere of influence, not to mention sharing that indignation with the manufacturers, distributors and purveyors of needlework fabric who perpetrate the misuse of the term "evenweave" as opposed to "evenly woven" - heck if we're going to be correct, let's really be correct. I'm not sure that a term which is commonly accepted in an industry is to be termed incoorect because it is not the term used 100 years ago, or has a spelling which isn't the first choice. There are many words with multiple accepted spellings - IMHO - "Evenweave" vs "even weave" is just such a case, and in particular, the single word version has come into use more as a noun, not simply and adjective, while the other version is not a noun.

Although, it likely doesn't matter a hill of beans to you, in practice, I do tend to explain to customers the sundry assortment of fabrics which are considered "evenweaves" - including linen. In the shop we don't group things as "evenweave" - they're grouped by their individual labels - probably even precisely enough for your high standards.

Darn, and I'm a horse lover, hate doing this.

ellice

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On 4/9/08 11:36 PM, in article C423036B.B524% snipped-for-privacy@verizon.net, "ellice" wrote: SNIP!

You had to make me go look didn't you! LOL

I want "Pretty Weed" - it just makes me smile!

Cheryl

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LOL - I did think of you. We may have it - I'll look and let you know.

Ellice

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My grandfather always said that a weed was just a flower in the wrong place Bruce

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Ok!!!

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ellice wrote: > ..........

ROTFLMAOWTIMEWPIMP -- poor horsie -- needs to be taken out now and again and adequately thrashed :-). CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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I've never seen or heard of Meran (28) -- more info please, OK?? CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Dr. Brat wrote: > ........

Because I try to be upfront and say I am being persnickety, etc. add smiley faces, etc. too, at the beginning of a post. Unfortunately, when I told you not to give me any crap about "getting it right" I forget the big raspberry I intended to use -- =8-***** -- so that you would know I was teasing you on purpose. Apologies for that, I know better. As for being pissy, etc. last time I was pissy in a post on purpose was during the whole Firehouse Angel thing when I was giving "you know who" a ration of "you know what" for being mean. Maybe you thought I was being pissy because I was reminding folks of something that you felt they didn't need to be reminded of. HMMM -- maybe I'll go back and reread my post. Whatever -- no biggie :-). CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Dianne Lewandowski wrote:

And to MOI -- and likely a lot of others -- the term persnickety means being fussy about the tiny little details of something -- not derogatory in my book. I'm gonna go look it up and see what Webster has to say about it..... OK -- here it is

1.) too particular or precise; fastidious; fussy 2.) showing or requiring extremely careful treatment Sorry, Dianne, but you are persnickety when it comes to needlework terminology and I do not mean that in a negative manner! You are a teacher and teacher's *should* be persnickety! When I am helping any of my friends here I am always persnickety and nit picky about the stuff I demonstrate or talk about. When I post, I try to use the proper terminology but I am NOT here to teach anyone anything. If someone asks a question, I enjoying sharing any special knowledge I might have but I don't look on it as teaching but rather providing knowledge so that others who are interested can learn. I know it's a find line but for me there is a huge difference in teaching someone and helping someone to learn. As for experienced needleworkers using the correct terms, etc. again I will say it is the manner in which it is done that makes it either offensive or not. Some people's posts (and I am not talking about you specifically so please don't take it personally) impart knowledge in a manner similar to being in a lecture hall and that's probably not the best way to go with this group. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sharing knowledge with others in a friendly, chatty sort of way so that the reader feels they are part of a discussion, not sitting at a desk being TOLD what is right and what is wrong. Add to all of this the fact that a lot of our group speak English as a second language and you just add fuel to the fire. I shudder to think what those poor folks think when they read some of the posts -- LOL! I rather liked Mirjam's post about the different needlework terms in different languages, etc. Now THAT would be a challenge for even the most persnickety person around!! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Umm, it's "Meran" - a rayon/cotton blend from Zweigart. Comes in some nice colors - kind of similar to Lugana - but more shine, higher rayon content, IIRC. We sometimes have it in the shop - but never too much of it (we're so full of all the hand dyes and standards, and a good amount of Lugana & Jobelan - even hand-dyed of those). Here's the link to Zweigart's page:

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Oh, and that's supposed to make it ok, eh? 8-b

Thank you.

Yeah, I felt like you were scolding a room full of unruly children and it ticked me off. But I know I don't always read you correctly.

Elizabeth

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Dr. Brat wrote:

Well now that is a case of the pot calling the kettle black :-) -- LOLOL. Is this time for a raspberry???? I think you and I read each other correctly *maybe* 50% of the time and that's on a good day!!! One thing I can say about MOI is that if I am pissed I usually start off by saying I'm pissed and go from there. Mostly, I am either excited (in a good way) about something or simply making some sort of comment. My original post was simply to say "YO, guys, we might be making the aida folks uncomfortable with the aida bashing." Not actually pointing a finger, just trying to remind the group that we probably don't really want to do that. Because there really have been any number of people who come out of lurkdome to ask a question about aida and then APOLOGIZE for not stitching on one of the other even weave fabrics. That's just plain sad and those people are the first ones I thought about when I read all the negative feedback about aida. Hence my need to post what I did. OH and YEP -- all those little smiley faces (you know-- the ones Sheena just loves) make it OK for MOI to be persnickety. VOUS don't use smileys so VOUS don't get to be persnickety without getting yelled at!! Except I wasn't the one being persnickety, I was being GOOD and SWEET and KIND and THOUGHTFUL and I'm gonna make myself hurl if I don't shut up soon :-)) :-)) :-)) oooooo there they are -- those smiley faces -- LOL! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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