OT: Feeling really bad

Okay, things have not gone well for me lately and last night was really bad.

There are 4 people in my little quilt group, including me. We met last night. Three of us work together, me, A, and X. Z is our other friend.

Things went really poorly last night and it is all my fault. (I know, I should not have had that G&T with David after work. And if I was going to have G&T with David, I should not have had the wine A served. But A had had a day, and I had had a day, and so we decided we just wanted wine. We knew Z would join in, but X won't. X hasn't for years, though she used to.)

So X is late. When X gets there she starts talking to Z. And only Z. Telling the same stories that I've already heard 3 times this week--once when X told them to me herself, once when X told them to the person in each of the cubicles on either side of me at work.

X usually dominates the conversation (and 9 times out of 10 she doesn't even bring anything to work on, she just comes to talk.) But for some reason, I behaved badly last night. Since neither A or I wanted to hear the story for a 4th time and X wasn't including us anyway, A and I just started talking to each other. And Z tried to join in. And X kept trying to bring everything back to herself.

So after awhile X stomps out and slams the door without saying good-by to anyone. Because she was upset with me because I kept changing the topic.

I know I have a really bad tendancy to interrupt other people and A told me I was doing it last night. I told A she should just kick me or something when I start. Because it's annoying. I know it is because my Dad does.the.exact.same.thing. And annoying!

I feel so bad today. And my bad mood is not helping poor David, who has to listen to all this and whose stress level is already through the roof. His client base has dried up because they can't afford to pay him in this economy and with no State funding any more. His car needs work; his teeth need work; he slashed two arteries in his right hand a couple of months ago and has no health insurance, so though the hand healed, the hospital bills need to be paid. He's tyring to sell his late Mom's condo, which needs a ton of work, including having the A/C replaced and the kitchen cabinets replaced and there is no money for that because no clients. At home, althought the building is finally full, one of the tenants is causing a lot of problems for everyone else and is constantly late with her rent. And that's just what I can think of while I'm at work and upset.

Oh, yeah, and then there is a "friend" of his who has been taking advantage of him for years. He has helped out this friend financally (never got a dime back on the loan) and in other ways for years and years. Now he needs "friend" to reciprocate and "friend's" response is that David is basically a jerk for having his own problems.

He needs to "break up" with this friend, but I finally realized that it won't happend unless I become the "bad guy" and insist that he end it because I don't want to see this friend anymore. But becasue they have bunch of mutual friends, including ones we are supposed to visit next month, I've got to take the blame whenever we see them.

His stress level is so through the roof that he's not sleeping. Which means I'm not sleeping. And so now my stress level is through the roof.

I told A this morning, when I was apologing to her last night, that I should just crawl under a rock or be a hermit or something because I so clearly should not be around people at all.

Thanks for letting me rant. Now feel free to tell me what a bad friend I've been to X.

Maureen

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mwoz2
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Hi Maureen,

Welcome to the human condition.

A couple of things I say a lot and try to live by:

1.) Everyone can and does have a bad day once in a while. Some peoples' good days can still be worse than some other peoples' bad days. (That's neither here nor there - it just is.)

2.) When someone says, does (acts), or writes (posts) something that seems out-of-character for that person, there's usually a pretty good reason. Good enough to cut 'em some slack until the explanation is found or until things just blow over. (Between friends, an explanation is often not required.)

3.) There's an old Japanese saying: "Fix the problem - not the blame."

Have you seen SHREK? What do friends do? They FORGIVE each other, and more importantly, they forgive *themselves*.

True friends understand all that. Sometimes it can take them a while to figure it out, or to get there, because emotions are running high. If they don't understand these things, or don't figure it out, it may even be time to rethink that friendship/association. As Groucho put (toasted) it, "Champaign for our real friends, and real pain for our sham friends!"

Taking a break/respite might not be such a bad idea. Take a step back, calm down, get a grip, think, and prioritize your life and all the stress triggers. Go ahead, grab paper & pencil and write stuff down; it makes it easier to prioritize. Then deal with what you can change/affect/(effect?), and try to work around what you can't (having written down your ideas/thoughts about that too). One thing at a time. One day at a time. Every day, do one thing - *something* - for yourself. We're talking about stress, right? Once again, here's Doc's suggestions for coping with stress. (It says chronic pain and depression, but it works for stress too, because they *can* all be related.)

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Skip down to the third paragraph and start there. Use what you can of it; don't sweat the rest.

And as actor/writer/director/comedian Robert Wuhl says in his latest, "Assume the Position 201" (available on cable, DVD, and online, and along with AtP 101, excruciatingly funny)... "WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS!"

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Best Wishes,

Doc Smith

-- Oh, the pain... THE PAIN...

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Dr. Zachary Smith

Maureen, I can definately feel for you...we are experiencing much the same thing in our family. Since we (DD, her BF and I) have been staying at my parents till the move, it's tense. I won't go into the details, but lets just say...23 more days! Can't wait!

Doc is right...take a break. If X comes to your cubicle, tell her politely you're busy. no excuses. if she really wants to talk, tell her to call you at home later. you can always put the machine on.

As for A...i have a few family members like that. Annoying as all get out...just ignore it, she'll get over it.

you are not a bad friend. don't think that. it sounds like the others need to mature alittle bit.

Have a drink and a snack. you'll be fine. really.

amy in CNY (soon in transit!!)

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amy in CNY

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I am having a hard time "getting" why this is your fault. If I am reading correctly:

1: X wants to talk to Z - only Z 2: You and A hold a separate conversation 3: Z prefers to join your conversation 4: X interrupts your conversation 5: You attempt to keep your conversation on track

I guess that #5 could be interpreted as interruption but I see it more as counter-interruption. I know this one - live with it as a matter of fact :-)

Stop being so hard on yourself. You are entitled to an "off" day once in a while and you are certainly not responsible for the bad behavior of others. Listen to Doc. He has it right.

Rita

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Rita L. in MA

Maureen, take a breath, have another gin and tonic, take another breath and then let it all go. I realize the 'real world' comes crashing back sooner or later, but for a little short while just take a breather and let yourself find energy to deal with the other stuff.

As for your friends, if X comes back, have a heart to heart with her about why you snapped the way you did. If she breaks off your friendship -- problem solved.

I'm so sorry for the problems David is having. It's such a common situation these days.

Listen to Doc. He's smart. My advice will remain: take that break, breathe, breathe again, let it all go.

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Sunny

First of all a nice gentle hug for you, my distraught friend. Second, if I remember correctly you are prone to depression, with fall perhaps being even more susceptible? Before you kick yourself even one more time for this night, look back over the last week or two and evaluate. If you are on anti-depressant, is it the right dose for fall? If you are not on one right now, do you need one for fall? I'm not a dr., just a friends who has been through things like this before. Hope you are feeling much better by now.

Karen, Queen of Squishies

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Karen, Queen of Squishies

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:08:02 -0500, Karen, Queen of Squishies wrote (in article ):

Thanks. Yes, I am prone to depression. But I'm feeling a bit better now.

Actually, friend X has been sulking for a week now. Which I'm staring to think might be a little over the top.

Maureen

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Maureen Wozniak

And definitely THEIR problem rather than yours!

If you are a SAD sufferer, think about getting a daylight type lamp for working on dull days, and make sure you take at least one 10 min walk in the sun every day it shines!

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Kate XXXXXX

*You* "sound" much better.

Would it be safe to say X has some inferiority issues? Hard to tell if the sulking is real (24/7) or being put on (for an audience). At the risk of dating myself and exposing my tragic un-hip-ness, are you familiar with Transactional Analysis & Games People Play?

If so, it *might* be something to consider/revisit (or not). If not, nevermind. No big deal. My guess is that she'll get over it one way or another.

Doc

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Dr. Zachary Smith

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:20:46 -0500, Kate XXXXXX wrote (in article ):

All of the lights in my sewing room are daylight types for just this reason. Unfortunately, since we still haven't solved the sewer back up problems yet, I'm still not sewing in there yet.

Now the city tells us they just need to flush the sewer city lines and all will be solved. Except that the city has no plans to flush the lines now or in the future. Grrr!

Meanwhile David is working on a backflow preventer. But the spot in the line where it needs to go is on the neighbor's property. So that's got to be worked out with him too. Grrr!

Meanwhile, I keep making a mess of the dining room table to get a baby quilt done. But I do miss my big sewing table.

Maureen

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Maureen Wozniak

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:25:57 -0500, Dr. Zachary Smith wrote (in article ):

Don't know anything about that. But David's amateur psychology diagnosis is that X is a narcissist. Which sort of fits because she does want everything to always be about her.

David thinks she'll suddenly forget all about being mad at us when she realizes she has no friends to drive her to the quilt shop.

Maureen

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Maureen Wozniak

One way or another. I don't disagree with David's analysis either. The T-A stuff I mentioned is similar to the Karpman Drama Triangle Nel mentioned in "Trying to be Diplomatic" thread. See that for links.

Doc

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Dr. Zachary Smith

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