All - I am Sorry -

I have totally had it with the guilt that I have had throwed back in my face and being totally unable in the past couple of weeks of being able to handle what I THOUGHT WAS a dead horse, and the total dumbfoundness of how people can let 'cyberworld' affect them. Also the fact that I can not in the life of me understand why people live two facets of life, to save or give themselves face.

The thread that Mindi and Maureen posted, and the request of others in here I am sure, that Ronni be removed, well so be it with me too. It seems that as individualistic and outspoken as SHE WAS, I was still the bottom of the barrel, over one, stupid admitted "male" typical screwup of putting the cart before the horse.

MC, please remove my profile from the group too. I will leave I am sure to the happiness of several in here, namely Shelley, Maureen, Tracy Martin, Jenn P, Donna, Dawn and few others I suspect too.

This group started to go to crap soon after I joined, BECAUSE I AM A MAN and started to speak up and out on touchy subjects in here, namely RAKS, contact lists and the CHANCE to meet others on a whim. For those naysayers that worry about every little thing in life from those few horror stories blown all over by the media, well several I had had the GREAT opportunity to meet, met their mates ON LINE. Again it is thans to today's society and the cyberworld where pre-judgements are made.

For reasons that I fail to understand to this day is why people are so uptight of not being happy or even joyful for those who so freely give of themselves or whatever, without thought of receipt back. Sharing the joy of those that are the lucky recipients, the subject of RAKs. It was seemiingly a very touchy subject with Shelley, as we all know for the discussions that WE ALL in here have had, just like flakers in swaps.

Then there was the Iist and ideas of some wanting to make it more useful, offering to share some of the weight, all it brought was disdain and obvious selfish feelings of "my idea" or "MINE", not to mention the possibility of "ME" being a man, or anyone else as far as that goes, wanting to stop and meet you at the drop of a hat bringing up all sorts of security issues. Then there was the finger pointing at someone and then ME for taking defense of them for wanting to do something for charity and many thought it was for personal gain. Shame on how people always take heel in the evil side of things.

I truly and sincerely will miss those that I have had the ultimate pleasure of meeting in person, those who we have spoken to each other on the phone and here on line. AND those that TRULY appreciated and were surprised with the gifts I could provide. I hope to be able to stay in touch, but not in this group. I truly will miss it, and do have other things to do besides get "hooked" on ya'll yakking away in here, laughing and crying on each others shoulders, getting stress relief, AND drooling over everyone's "treasures" and arts.

Finally to satisfy those that do not believe how people can seem one way but then are another, I am attaching the personal email that Shelley sent me. AND YOU WONDER WHY I am all screwed up, reacting irrationally, well believe what you want. I am grieving over the whole mess and maybe, if the truth be known, some of you might feel emotion of guilt too, for believig ALWAYS the negative and reacting to or with it. So enjoy THE GROUP and goodbye.

""From: snipped-for-privacy@trilogentech.com(Shelley) Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2004,

8:49pm (CDT+1) To: snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net Subject: Re: At Shelley's Request

- New RCS Website

You are the reason i have left the group! I have never gotten over your post in the summer. No need to reply, I have left the group. =BAo=BA Shelley =BAo=BA Ontario, Canada From the... Great White North, eh! ""

OKC Dave

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SpikeToo
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oh oh someone call me??

Tracy

(bewildered) and replied private like.

The thread that Mindi and Maureen posted, and the request of others in here I am sure, that Ronni be removed, well so be it with me too. It seems that as individualistic and outspoken as SHE WAS, I was still the bottom of the barrel, over one, stupid admitted "male" typical screwup of putting the cart before the horse.

MC, please remove my profile from the group too. I will leave I am sure to the happiness of several in here, namely Shelley, Maureen, Tracy Martin, Jenn P, Donna, Dawn and few others I suspect too.

This group started to go to crap soon after I joined, BECAUSE I AM A MAN and started to speak up and out on touchy subjects in here, namely RAKS, contact lists and the CHANCE to meet others on a whim. For those naysayers that worry about every little thing in life from those few horror stories blown all over by the media, well several I had had the GREAT opportunity to meet, met their mates ON LINE. Again it is thans to today's society and the cyberworld where pre-judgements are made.

For reasons that I fail to understand to this day is why people are so uptight of not being happy or even joyful for those who so freely give of themselves or whatever, without thought of receipt back. Sharing the joy of those that are the lucky recipients, the subject of RAKs. It was seemiingly a very touchy subject with Shelley, as we all know for the discussions that WE ALL in here have had, just like flakers in swaps.

Then there was the Iist and ideas of some wanting to make it more useful, offering to share some of the weight, all it brought was disdain and obvious selfish feelings of "my idea" or "MINE", not to mention the possibility of "ME" being a man, or anyone else as far as that goes, wanting to stop and meet you at the drop of a hat bringing up all sorts of security issues. Then there was the finger pointing at someone and then ME for taking defense of them for wanting to do something for charity and many thought it was for personal gain. Shame on how people always take heel in the evil side of things.

I truly and sincerely will miss those that I have had the ultimate pleasure of meeting in person, those who we have spoken to each other on the phone and here on line. AND those that TRULY appreciated and were surprised with the gifts I could provide. I hope to be able to stay in touch, but not in this group. I truly will miss it, and do have other things to do besides get "hooked" on ya'll yakking away in here, laughing and crying on each others shoulders, getting stress relief, AND drooling over everyone's "treasures" and arts.

Finally to satisfy those that do not believe how people can seem one way but then are another, I am attaching the personal email that Shelley sent me. AND YOU WONDER WHY I am all screwed up, reacting irrationally, well believe what you want. I am grieving over the whole mess and maybe, if the truth be known, some of you might feel emotion of guilt too, for believig ALWAYS the negative and reacting to or with it. So enjoy THE GROUP and goodbye.

""From: snipped-for-privacy@trilogentech.com(Shelley) Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2004,

8:49pm (CDT+1) To: snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net Subject: Re: At Shelley's Request

- New RCS Website

You are the reason i have left the group! I have never gotten over your post in the summer. No need to reply, I have left the group. ºoº Shelley ºoº Ontario, Canada From the... Great White North, eh! ""

OKC Dave

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Tracy

Dave I can't make you stay, but I do wish you would. You bring so much to RCS that it just wouldn't be the same without you! It's your choice, but I do wish you would stay.

I for one, met my DH on the interent, while we were in college. We'll celebrate our 8th wedding anniversary in May. Now, I'll tell you my parents thought I had completely gone off my rocker, but *I* knew in my heart that it was ok. Just because someone on the internet wants to meet you doesn't mean their looney-tunes. I truly believe Dave is in that non-looney-tune catagory. I've never met him, but there's so many here who have met him. The next time you're coming through Little Rock, Dave, let me know!

I don't know exactly what went on in the past to cause so much hurt, but it's time to build a bridge over the tears and get over it, folks. Otherwise, people are just going to continue to be driven away. It seems forgiveness is so easy to receive, but so hard to give. If you don't agree with someone's viewpoints, that's fine, just agree to disagree.

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Deb in AR

You are wrong Dave, Ronni emailed me privately and asked that I remove her. No one else has asked for her removal, on my honour!

M-C

The thread that Mindi and Maureen posted, and the request of others in here I am sure, that Ronni be removed, well so be it with me too. It seems that as individualistic and outspoken as SHE WAS, I was still the bottom of the barrel, over one, stupid admitted "male" typical screwup of putting the cart before the horse.

MC, please remove my profile from the group too. I will leave I am sure to the happiness of several in here, namely Shelley, Maureen, Tracy Martin, Jenn P, Donna, Dawn and few others I suspect too.

This group started to go to crap soon after I joined, BECAUSE I AM A MAN and started to speak up and out on touchy subjects in here, namely RAKS, contact lists and the CHANCE to meet others on a whim. For those naysayers that worry about every little thing in life from those few horror stories blown all over by the media, well several I had had the GREAT opportunity to meet, met their mates ON LINE. Again it is thans to today's society and the cyberworld where pre-judgements are made.

For reasons that I fail to understand to this day is why people are so uptight of not being happy or even joyful for those who so freely give of themselves or whatever, without thought of receipt back. Sharing the joy of those that are the lucky recipients, the subject of RAKs. It was seemiingly a very touchy subject with Shelley, as we all know for the discussions that WE ALL in here have had, just like flakers in swaps.

Then there was the Iist and ideas of some wanting to make it more useful, offering to share some of the weight, all it brought was disdain and obvious selfish feelings of "my idea" or "MINE", not to mention the possibility of "ME" being a man, or anyone else as far as that goes, wanting to stop and meet you at the drop of a hat bringing up all sorts of security issues. Then there was the finger pointing at someone and then ME for taking defense of them for wanting to do something for charity and many thought it was for personal gain. Shame on how people always take heel in the evil side of things.

I truly and sincerely will miss those that I have had the ultimate pleasure of meeting in person, those who we have spoken to each other on the phone and here on line. AND those that TRULY appreciated and were surprised with the gifts I could provide. I hope to be able to stay in touch, but not in this group. I truly will miss it, and do have other things to do besides get "hooked" on ya'll yakking away in here, laughing and crying on each others shoulders, getting stress relief, AND drooling over everyone's "treasures" and arts.

Finally to satisfy those that do not believe how people can seem one way but then are another, I am attaching the personal email that Shelley sent me. AND YOU WONDER WHY I am all screwed up, reacting irrationally, well believe what you want. I am grieving over the whole mess and maybe, if the truth be known, some of you might feel emotion of guilt too, for believig ALWAYS the negative and reacting to or with it. So enjoy THE GROUP and goodbye.

""From: snipped-for-privacy@trilogentech.com(Shelley) Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2004,

8:49pm (CDT+1) To: snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net Subject: Re: At Shelley's Request

- New RCS Website

You are the reason i have left the group! I have never gotten over your post in the summer. No need to reply, I have left the group. ºoº Shelley ºoº Ontario, Canada From the... Great White North, eh! ""

OKC Dave

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M-C

Oh and again, please send all requests for changes to the website to snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com. I'm afraid that it's a little too difficult to keep up with everything especially since I'm getting a lot of emails from people helping to rate the scrapbook stores that they have been to. I hope to get to the emails sometime next week, when I feel a little better.

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M-C

So Shelley's gone. We'll miss her but people come and go all the time. There's no need for you to leave too Dave. Rid yourself of the guilt. There's no reason for you to have to carry that baggage around. Perhaps you should've just stopped replying to and started deleting her e-mails rather than reading them as soon as you saw things were getting nasty between the two of you. That's hind sight though and none of has that. Some people are naturally very defensive and I think what's happened is that those that are have butted heads one too many times w/ each other. As a result it's time for some to move on. If I had my way the ng would still be full of all the great folks I remember from years back plus the wonderful ones here now. People just come and go. All I can do is ask you to stay and hope that you will.

Katrina in KS

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Katrina

Very well put Katrina! Come on Dave, we don't want to lose you too. Come back out and play! Besides you still have my combat boot!

Those of us that have met you know exactly what a big heart you have and how you wouldn't hurt a fly on purpose.

Hugs

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M-C

Dave don't leave the group. We all speak our minds from time to time and if it hurts someone's feelings I think they are grown up enough to hit the delete button. When I saw the "Secret Santa" thread heading south I quit reading it. This is a public newsgroup nobody can kick anybody off. If you're not talking scrapbooking and they don't want to listen they can hit the delete button. I think we should all get into the habit of just deleting anything annoying. There are several people who have said they have left the group and I'll be darned if they just can't help themselves and post. So, they are watching. If they can pick up some scrapbooking tips more power to them. Like I said this is a public group. I'm not a particularly thick skinned person, but I just don't pay attention to the griping (that much). At least I don't let it affect me. I really enjoy the feedback and the talk about scrapbooking and DAVE you are a scrapbooker. I've enjoyed your feedback on scrapbooking. Heck you got a few of us organized with your wonderful detailed emails about building an organizing unit. STAY! I love seeing your LO's... and showing and telling my son scrapbooking not just for girls.

Best Regards, Lynne

The thread that Mindi and Maureen posted, and the request of others in here I am sure, that Ronni be removed, well so be it with me too. It seems that as individualistic and outspoken as SHE WAS, I was still the bottom of the barrel, over one, stupid admitted "male" typical screwup of putting the cart before the horse.

MC, please remove my profile from the group too. I will leave I am sure to the happiness of several in here, namely Shelley, Maureen, Tracy Martin, Jenn P, Donna, Dawn and few others I suspect too.

This group started to go to crap soon after I joined, BECAUSE I AM A MAN and started to speak up and out on touchy subjects in here, namely RAKS, contact lists and the CHANCE to meet others on a whim. For those naysayers that worry about every little thing in life from those few horror stories blown all over by the media, well several I had had the GREAT opportunity to meet, met their mates ON LINE. Again it is thans to today's society and the cyberworld where pre-judgements are made.

For reasons that I fail to understand to this day is why people are so uptight of not being happy or even joyful for those who so freely give of themselves or whatever, without thought of receipt back. Sharing the joy of those that are the lucky recipients, the subject of RAKs. It was seemiingly a very touchy subject with Shelley, as we all know for the discussions that WE ALL in here have had, just like flakers in swaps.

Then there was the Iist and ideas of some wanting to make it more useful, offering to share some of the weight, all it brought was disdain and obvious selfish feelings of "my idea" or "MINE", not to mention the possibility of "ME" being a man, or anyone else as far as that goes, wanting to stop and meet you at the drop of a hat bringing up all sorts of security issues. Then there was the finger pointing at someone and then ME for taking defense of them for wanting to do something for charity and many thought it was for personal gain. Shame on how people always take heel in the evil side of things.

I truly and sincerely will miss those that I have had the ultimate pleasure of meeting in person, those who we have spoken to each other on the phone and here on line. AND those that TRULY appreciated and were surprised with the gifts I could provide. I hope to be able to stay in touch, but not in this group. I truly will miss it, and do have other things to do besides get "hooked" on ya'll yakking away in here, laughing and crying on each others shoulders, getting stress relief, AND drooling over everyone's "treasures" and arts.

Finally to satisfy those that do not believe how people can seem one way but then are another, I am attaching the personal email that Shelley sent me. AND YOU WONDER WHY I am all screwed up, reacting irrationally, well believe what you want. I am grieving over the whole mess and maybe, if the truth be known, some of you might feel emotion of guilt too, for believig ALWAYS the negative and reacting to or with it. So enjoy THE GROUP and goodbye.

""From: snipped-for-privacy@trilogentech.com(Shelley) Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2004,

8:49pm (CDT+1) To: snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net Subject: Re: At Shelley's Request

- New RCS Website

You are the reason i have left the group! I have never gotten over your post in the summer. No need to reply, I have left the group. ºoº Shelley ºoº Ontario, Canada From the... Great White North, eh! ""

OKC Dave

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King's Crown

I'd again like to ask all of you to help me with website updates by sending me a private email. I just know that I'll miss posts here. As always, I'll email you back to let you know that I have made the change before posting an update to the group. That way you can make sure that the changes I have made are the ones that you wanted made.

I hope you'll forgive me, but I have a lot going on here so, as I've mentionned before, it will be at least a week before I can do anything. So please if you still want me to make changes that affect you personally wait till sometime next week and email me at snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com and I'll do as you ask. I also want to assure you and everyone else, that I would never take down one person's profile at the request of another. Your profiles belong to you and I'm just doing the work of putting them up and taking them down.

As of now the only things that are still pending in my email "in basket" are store updates. Please take a moment over the next few days to rate the stores that you visit regularly. Then if you can, send me the ones that you remember from any travelling you have done in the past 12 months.

Thanks,

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M-C

Well put Katrina!

Reply to
Kenda

Dave! Don't leave!!! I never worried about the "security issues" associated with you! We all need to use our heads when meeting anyone off the internet in person. I love to see your layouts and love your ideas and tips. So what if you screwed up and put the cart before the horse. Who of us has never done that at least once in our lives? I do hope you'll reconsider and stay. If not please keep in touch privately with those of us you have touched!

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Kenda

Dave no need to leave.

Everyone else just come on back. START FRESH and just get along. Let's make this a fun place again.

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dizzy d

Hi Dave

I have'nt been around here that long and only visit over weekends, so I don't really know what went down, but I've enjoyed your postings a lot. So what that you're a male??? It's good to have a different perspective on things. You're experience you shared with me a few weeks ago when my Tammy kitty passed, really touched me and I could see there that you're a "good guy".

I know of quite a few totally normal people that met online and are happily married today. That's nothing strange. One gets wacko people in all walks of life and you just have to use your common sense.

Please don't go. :(

Judy, South Africa

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JK

The thread that Mindi and Maureen posted, and the request of others in here I am sure, that Ronni be removed, well so be it with me too. It seems that as individualistic and outspoken as SHE WAS, I was still the bottom of the barrel, over one, stupid admitted "male" typical screwup of putting the cart before the horse.

MC, please remove my profile from the group too. I will leave I am sure to the happiness of several in here, namely Shelley, Maureen, Tracy Martin, Jenn P, Donna, Dawn and few others I suspect too.

This group started to go to crap soon after I joined, BECAUSE I AM A MAN and started to speak up and out on touchy subjects in here, namely RAKS, contact lists and the CHANCE to meet others on a whim. For those naysayers that worry about every little thing in life from those few horror stories blown all over by the media, well several I had had the GREAT opportunity to meet, met their mates ON LINE. Again it is thans to today's society and the cyberworld where pre-judgements are made.

For reasons that I fail to understand to this day is why people are so uptight of not being happy or even joyful for those who so freely give of themselves or whatever, without thought of receipt back. Sharing the joy of those that are the lucky recipients, the subject of RAKs. It was seemiingly a very touchy subject with Shelley, as we all know for the discussions that WE ALL in here have had, just like flakers in swaps.

Then there was the Iist and ideas of some wanting to make it more useful, offering to share some of the weight, all it brought was disdain and obvious selfish feelings of "my idea" or "MINE", not to mention the possibility of "ME" being a man, or anyone else as far as that goes, wanting to stop and meet you at the drop of a hat bringing up all sorts of security issues. Then there was the finger pointing at someone and then ME for taking defense of them for wanting to do something for charity and many thought it was for personal gain. Shame on how people always take heel in the evil side of things.

I truly and sincerely will miss those that I have had the ultimate pleasure of meeting in person, those who we have spoken to each other on the phone and here on line. AND those that TRULY appreciated and were surprised with the gifts I could provide. I hope to be able to stay in touch, but not in this group. I truly will miss it, and do have other things to do besides get "hooked" on ya'll yakking away in here, laughing and crying on each others shoulders, getting stress relief, AND drooling over everyone's "treasures" and arts.

Finally to satisfy those that do not believe how people can seem one way but then are another, I am attaching the personal email that Shelley sent me. AND YOU WONDER WHY I am all screwed up, reacting irrationally, well believe what you want. I am grieving over the whole mess and maybe, if the truth be known, some of you might feel emotion of guilt too, for believig ALWAYS the negative and reacting to or with it. So enjoy THE GROUP and goodbye.

""From: snipped-for-privacy@trilogentech.com(Shelley) Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2004,

8:49pm (CDT+1) To: snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net Subject: Re: At Shelley's Request

- New RCS Website

You are the reason i have left the group! I have never gotten over your post in the summer. No need to reply, I have left the group. ºoº Shelley ºoº Ontario, Canada From the... Great White North, eh! ""

OKC Dave

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Hilda

Dave -

I wish to echo those who ask you not to leave! I've only been on this list for a couple months now, and I've never talked to you dierectly. However, I have very much enjoyed your posts, you always seem to be a kind and caring positive person who shares a passion to scrap with the rest of us. You always have great ideas, and something nice to say!

While I have no idea what the back story is here, it saddens me to find out that even on this list where it generally seems so nice and supportive, drama and hurt feelings can still show up. I do know that it can be very easy to misread intent and tone in emails and posts.

I agree - please stay.

Jessica

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Jessica F

WTF!!!!

Excuse me, but leave my name out of any of this bs please. I haven't posted much since the summer since I've been busy moving, renovating and having a baby and I DON'T appreciate coming back to lurking to find my name being dragged up in a load of crap that I have nothing to do with.

THIS is **EXACTLY** the crap that people are sick of.

JennP.

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JennP

You too? I'm not even going to bother. WTF?

JennP.

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JennP

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