OT: I *fianllly* quit smoking again!

Academics are frequently chosen for their research abilities only and not their teaching. It's widely recognized that many brilliant researchers are hopeless teachers who speak poorly in public and don't enjoy it. If you don't become an academic how else can you pursue your research and earn a living? Even commercial research often requires public speaking in many cases and not all academics wish to have their research molded by "commercial interests".

She's simply saying that public speaking is one aspect of her work she doesn't enjoy - should she not exhibit because of this? Should people only pursue vocations where they enjoy every aspect of their jobs? I think a lot of us would be unemployed if this was the case. Most people can't be that picky.

Did you enjoy every aspect of motherhood - would you be comfortable with someone suggesting you shouldn't have become a mother unless you loved every aspect? All mother's make sacrifices and do things they don't want to, you take the bad to enjoy the good.

Of course not but it's a very real fear for many people and one I suspect those of us who are comfortable speaking in public don't truely appreciate.

VP

I don`t know about shyness , it is more Stage fear ... all those eyes looking at ME brrrrrr I know the reason have emailed you privately. thank you Cher ... mirjam y

Hi Mirjam

your post is just in lol ha ha sorry but it's such a giggle..

For instance - speak for herself :-)

I don't think she needs help from others

Mary

I didn't know about all that, thanks.

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Sorry, I hit send acidentally,

I still say it doesn't HAVE to be done - you want to do it.

I don't have to grow vegetables, it's not easy for me because of my pain but I want to do it so I do.

Not necessarily, people bloom at different rates.

Surely it's in the job spec ...

Not all artists - of any kind - speak about it. Most who do speak are passionate about it and want to share. They don't have to.

Quite.

To speak - not for anything else.

Everyone has talents which aren't shared by everyone else.

Mary

In many cases it's all they need.

Yes, they should perhaps find a research job which doesn't involve speaking.

Have I suggested that?

Well, it depends on aspirations.

I didn't want to be a mother, lust is a powerful urge and we were careless. after five children in seven years he paid to be sterilised.

Perhaps. I think this molehill has turned into a mountain, however, and unecessarily at that.

I'm going to Aberdeen tomorrow so shan't be around for a week, I hope nobody thinks I'm ducking the issue but it really seems to have run its course.

Mary

Why should one want to drive on the other side of the road?

Rhetoric only :-)

Mary

Been there, done that ...

Guess which I prefer?

I've had that too.

Good! You have the choice :-)

sorry, no time for more ... I HAVE to pack

Mary

Don't care if it's rhetoric. Other side of the road??? Because it's the law here???? I agree with Wooly.... you will argue a point just to be pissy.

Shelagh

No, she certainly doesn't need my help, but she gets my support in any case.

Now, it's time to either change the title of this thread, or let it die a natural death.

Shelagh

AMEN. You helped it along

Thank heavens. Perhaps this badly named thread will die.

Shelagh

Well, it could be said that you have too :-) As has everyone who has contributed.

Mary

But my point is why should anyone not want to drive on the 'wrong' side of the road? Wherever you are.

When I was a child people used to think that the worst thing they could think of to do was knock the helmet of a policeman. Even in those days I wondered why they should.

It's good to have someone to agree with :-)

Tell you what, killfile me. I shan't notice and it won't hurt.

Mary>

Mary Fisher. . .

You appear to have it "in" for Mirjam, and like Shelagh, I, too will always champion for our Mirjam, who is a decent sweet woman, who can and does speak for herself, quite well, I might add. JM2C, Noreen

I used that example as an answer to your claim that people can do everything they like , i answered that it isn`t possible and this was my example. I thought also it was a good example that there are accepted things we have to do as society, in order to live and not harm others nore be harmed. For a strange reason , you seem not to understand the that life is about compromises between wanted , needed and affordable things and situations.

If this is your question , than we lack common ground to discuss the matter, [ which started with you telling me that if i don`t like to speak in public i chose the rong career,,,, people even those mature ones we all should be ,,, sometimes want or dream to do some think , that is dangerous ? or might show they are daring , Driving opposite the accepted side of the road , is Dangerous for Your life and endangers aothers as well .......That is why wanting this , is unresponsible, and hence unlawful .

I am not sure what you wondered about ? the will to knock of the helmet or the thought about it ,,,, people are Human , they have al kinds of thoughts ,,,,

in your case it seems like it is GOOD To Have somebody to Argue with , not agree with

mirjam