Sari silk - update

Having missed the original post...and having once considered buying Sari silk, what was the original problem?

Thanks, Jenn

Wooly wrote:

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This sounds good!

************ You told that silk don't felt. I just read about "felted silk" a while ago, and wondered; because I had never heard about it. Now I checked how they did it, and of course it was NOT the silk that felted! They felted WOOL onto thin silk shawls!!! :-|

I'm sure your silk will be fine woven! In fact I can imagine it is better for weaving than knitting. You must tell us about it! Good luck, you have really worked hard with the yarn!! Aud ;-)

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:37:11 GMT, Jenn Vanderslice spewed forth :

1. overspun and hard
2. full of chaff
3. stinky beyond belief

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On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:22:31 +0200, "Aud" spewed forth :

Nope, but it will tanle, especially with all the cut edges involved in the case of recycled sari silk yarn.

There's a way of making "felt" with silk but it involves some weird craft glue stuff. I've seen the instructions, it looks like more work than its worth!

I'll give y'all a pic, if and when!

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Wooly it does not surprice me that the dyes run, the sari I brought back, last summer did run as well, most of the dye used in India and ajacent countries are not colour fast, black and red being the worst offenders. While in Troronto, I saw a woven scarf of the thick spun recycled sari yarn and it was lovely done at about 6 to 8 ends per inch. they used the yarn in weft and warp. I might try it now as well and see how it will work. I have used mine for weaving into a crocheted scarf with a big lace pattern. That worked very well also. The crocheting was done in black cotton from Greece and I wove the sari silk in and out through the lacy holes, and let the ends be fringe. I knotted the fringe since I did not have beads with holes large enough. Show us a picture when you are finished with it, I would love to see it.

Els

Hello Aud,

Felted slik Is maybe an incorrect term. I have seen silk being used as part of a basis for felting. It is where you use a very thin open woven silk material and felt the wool through it. The silk does not felt. You can also dry needle felt silk into a woolen felted backgorund. The silk is incorporated with the felting, dry or wet, but it does not felt by itself. The same goes for any other fiber, that might not felt by itself, but becomes part of the woolen felting process.

Els

One of the participant artists in the exhibition , was working on Dying a silk cord , She made a Cord for the Twins of Tamar Daughter in law of Jehudah, one of the first Feminists. She had loads of troublec with the dye , although she is an expert . Once the pics will be up you will able to see the work. mirjam

I have bought a cloth that was woven wool +silk , i tried to felt a piece and it produced some interesting results ,, the silk was neatly beded in the felted wool , but i could easily pull it out ... mirjam

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Do you think Vineager would fix it??????

I remember my grandmother used that to be sure that the colour should not bleed from cotton. She was always afraid of reds. Aud ;-)

I am one of the thinkers that does not believe that vinegar sets dyes. I am pretty sure that a very strong acid needs to be used by the chenical Ciba acid dyes before you heat the bath, and only with specific dyes at that. Each chemical dye works differently. I am sure that there are better chemist in the group than I, who can give better details about this. However in several Procion MX dye workshops I have been told that vinegar will soften the water after dyeing but it will not set the dyes at that point anymore. Store bought vinegar is also a very weak solution (%.) But why not try it and see what happens. you certainly have nothing to loose.

Els

If you have some loosely woven silk fabric, you can felt a laye rof wool on the fabric. The fibres go through the fabric and connect both materials.

Ria

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Goede Morgen Ria

We talked about several different techniques here and one of them was silk fusion. I am pretty sure that there they use some sort of adhesive. However that is not felting it is just using silk materials, fibers as well as woven pieces in different ways. Karen Selk of Treenway silk sells kits for silk fusion. She also teaches this technique as well She gives a good discription of how it is done.

Els

Dag Els,

This is definitely a different technique. Something thet is very popular here these days is a silk shawl with felted patches. I think that is what Wooly was talking about. It looks like this

the middle you see the silk or mousseline, the ends of the shawlare felted wool.

Ria

I could see knitting wool with silk intarsia elements; when the wool shrinks, the silk bubbles out and makes a textured surface. With controlled shrinkage (careful felting) the effect could be very precise. It reminds me of the method involving tying the wool around a marble and felting it so the marble makes an expanded bump in the final product.

=Tamar

> In the middle you see the silk or mousseline, the ends of the shawl > are felted wool.

This, I think, is Nuno felting.

Here's some info:

are some definitions of felt types and silk fusion:

> In the middle you see the silk or mousseline, the ends of the shawl > are felted wool.>

Yes you are correct that was also mentioned, when Aud talked about the different felting techniques and asked questions about the felting of silk, Both Wooly and I answered her, and explained about the felting on silk, and that it was the wool that felted and the silk was only a base, as well as that you can use silk in dry felting also, but that it was still only the wool that was felted, not the silk, but that the silk was captured in the felted wool. Silk fusion was brough up (I did), because someone mentioned an adhisive. My comments was that adhisive, or glue if you wish, was used in silk fusion, but never during any felting process with wool. All deze verschillende technieken tijdens de zelfde conversatie heen en weer. Sorry did not mean to confuse anyone.

Els

>> > In the middle you see the silk or mousseline, the ends of the shawl> > are felted wool.>

Smiling, did you do a bit of Nuno felting with Hanna, while I was in Toronto, Eimear. I bought some gauze silk in Toronto to try it out. Only I have no idea how open the silk weave should be. The object being to keep the material supple enough to use as a scarf.

Els

Hi Els,

Yes, I did a little bit. It was quite funny as I didn't have any silk gauze so I chose as my base.......a piece of a very threadbare old linen shirt of DH's! It actually worked which *really* surprised me. So I think your silk gauze would work just fine.

Eimear

Have to try it tomorrow moring after my yoga class. I have also started a small sample of locker hooking, with the silk recycled saries. I works very well. I brought back an old sari I bought at an second hand store last summer in Toronto. I have ripped it into strips and I am using it as well for the locker hooking. I am very pleased with the resulds

Els