My new old sewing machine and some mysteries

Hi all! I picked up my new old sewing machine today. Boy do I have a lot of questions! I know my French isn't *that* great, but it was clear the lady who sold this to me didn't know too much about it. She did say it was built for a French war, but then she told me "mille huit cent" which I made her repeat because I didn't believe her. I'm certain this machine was not made in 1800 since (among other evidence) Singer wasn't founded 'till after 1850 so who knows when it was really made.

OK, first the pics:

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can see that it appears to be a Singer 169B with a serial number ofSB671736. That puts the manufacture in Bonniers, France sometime after1935. Well, that's not too hard to work out looking at her, she has aplastic bobbin case, electric wiring, and it says "FabricationFrancaise" across the top. I can't find anything on Google about the model 169 - however it appears she will accept the parts from my 15-91 and may even run on US power! I'd just planned to use her here in France, but perhaps I'll bring her home with me. Ron, if you read this, do you think it would be safe to operate an old motor rated for 127-220V in the US?

She's missing the thread holder from on top. Any ideas for fabricating a new one?

Penny - the paint is like a Bianchi celeste green - gorgeous.

Finally, she needs a name. A French name. I'd originally thought "Coco", of course, but I think Coco would be in all black with some gold gilt. Ideas? I'd say war-era, but who knows which war? :)

Merci beaucoup!

-Charlotte

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Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS

You should be able to run it on 110V it will likely be slow and eventually burn up the motor, You could use a step up transformer to get the correct voltage. . It is not a 99 clone the 99 has a drop in bobbin. The models for European distribution are often a bit different than US models. Closest I can see is a 177C. Hard to see the bobbin it is one of the 2 15 class however. Do not break that plastic race cover it will be very difficult if not impossible to replace.

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Ron Anderson

Ron, doesn't the motor have a 127v - 220v switch? I have heard that Singer used motors that could be switched for the different currents, and it looked to me like this might be one of those.

It certainly looks like an overfed Model 15 - it's plump! Except the tension is on the front instead of on the faceplate. Confusing. But pretty.

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Pogonip

You may very well be correct, in looking again at the photo it does appear they may be telling one to put the switch in one side for 127V or the other for 220V. Those pesky pictograms drive me nuts. None of the photos show an actual switch however.

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Ron Anderson

You are right, it looks like that and there does appear to be a switch area which is not "enabled". There is no switch to shift one way or the other in the switching area. I have a pic I will post tomorrow. (it is late here....)

-Charlotte

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charlotte

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Felicitation on the new family member, knew you wouldn't last that long without a machine.

Name suggestion "Clothide" always thought that was a cute french name and of course the word cloth is in it!

Claire in Montréal, France.

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Claire Owen

OK, I've posted pics of the switch area

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'm not seeing any actual switch!

-Charlotte

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charlotte

Have you tried taking off that cover to see if the switch is *inside*? Just a thought, I have no idea if that's where it might be.

Beverly

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BEI Design

That's such a good one!

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Angrie.Woman

Looks to me like it is or is supposed to be on the bottom between those 2 pins?nuts? Hard to see in the photo. It may have been removed if faulty and wired direct. Sometimes the switch is really there just not looking like anything you see normally. Flat slider to avoid accidental switching.

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Ron Anderson

You were right, I lasted three weeks! :) Great name too! She's christened "Clothilde" - like everything else I hope I'll pronounce it properly! I really lucked out with my own name, easy to say in English AND French.

Thanks!

-Charlotte

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charlotte

All right, it is officially too uncertain, the machine stays in France when I leave.

Thanks all!

-Charlotte

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charlotte

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Charlotte,

I am raising my hand to volunteer my services as an adoptive mother. Unless you can find some one more suitable closer to where you are, You can email me privately to discuss the adoption fee and train ticket for Clothide. I feel kind of guilty now that she has a name and might get left with no mummy to love her!!

Email is claireowenperso AT free.fr Claire in Montréal, France.

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Yes I am lucky to, although when I was born in 1966 Claire was a realy unusual name so thats why my mother and father chosse it, of course dear Gilbert O'Sullivan soon put paid to that and now there seem to be hundreds of claires just that bit younger than me!! At one point in our old buisness in the Uk we had three claires working for us, plus myself and my sister in law who was also named Claire Owen at that point. The french have great problems pronouncing Howard DH's name it's the H that foxes them so most of the time he just answers to Owen, my poor boys have problems too but with me for a mother what can you expect. LOL Claire in Montréal, France.

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Claire Owen

As I said before you can always use a transformer. Not terribly expensive.

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Ron Anderson

Claire, I love your name. I was talking to my sister about how if I had a daughter I'd like to name her Claire or Clara. I have to admit that among my peers at Lancaster University (now about 28 years old) there are quite an overwhelming number of Claires.

I'm going through the same thing with "Charlotte". There is no one my age with the name (I was named for my great-grandfather's sister) but now that the Sex in the City character brought it to other people's awareness there are loads of Charlottes all about 4 years old.

I rarely encountered Charlottes before, but ran into one who is the aunt of my best friend in high school. Turns out she spells her name Sharlet! Her mother was a huge Gone with the Wind fan and her father really liked the name Shirley. They combined the two and thought they'd made up a new name.

My last name starts with an H and in class she just says "Charlotte" and looks up hopefully. There is an Australian named "Hugh" who hasn't got a chance!

As for the machine, I was hoping to sell her for what I paid, so I'm happy to talk privately! Maybe you want me to put her through her paces for a bit and see what she can do. When I went to buy her I tried her out and she didn't go at first. The old lady selling her said "it has been a while since she has spoken". I thought that was a funny (French!) way of saying that.

Charlotte in Paris, France

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