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We have a HUGE problem with TB in parts of the UK because folk didn't get their BCG's done, and we now have a large minority of very mobile folk who regularly travel to areas of the world where TB is still endemic.

Both Himself's father and his stepmother had TB. So did I, as a kid (probably in Malta, where I lived for three years in the 60's). Mine was symptomless: why do we know I had it? Because I carry the antibodies, and they showed up when I had the Heaf test prior to having the BCG, which was done in schools in those days, when you were about

12*. It's dormant. There is no point in taking the TB meds of you have dormant TB: the TB bacillus has a hard waxy coating when it's dormant, and very little of the drugs get through. Enough DO get through to help the disease develop a resistant strain.

Because of this, the then cherub, now GMNT was given his BCG when he was just a few month old. When I told the doc I wanted the BCG for James, and explained the circumstances, he said YES! I wish more parents were as sensible as you!

We never had any hesitation about him getting the MMR either. I remember thinking as I read about all the fuss that the government had gone about the whole mess the wrong way. They withdrew the separate vaccinations as they were less effective than the MMR, and the MMR was a much cheaper option: very sensible choice, really. And then came that report of a link with autism... THAT whole scandal is well documented as a fraud, but the stupid thing they did in the interim was not to continue offering the separate vaccine to those with doubts. As a result, huge swathes of kids never got the vaccination at all, and more kids died or were damaged by the diseases than would have suffered from autism even if the 'research' had been done properly and turned out to be true instead of cooked up and a complete fairy tale.

*Do they still do this? I vaguely remember filling in a form for the GMNT to tell them he'd had it at some point...
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Kate XXXXXX
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And polio, let's not forget pre-1960s terror of all the parents when an outbreak occurred. A couple of my friends in grade school were crippled by polio. Thank you Drs. Sabin and Salk!

Botulism... rabies... leprosy... cholera... nasty organisms.

Excellent analogy, thanks.

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BEI Design

Also the UK residents of those groups can be quite hard to catch for vaccination. If they miss out at school because they are in their "home" country they don't get done when they get back, also incoming spouses tend not to be vaccinated either, leading to high percentages of unvaccinated, possibly infected (but not necessarily infectious) populations in certain areas - quite q few near us.

They did 10 years ago when DD had the jab. I had it done in 3rd form so DS1 is due for it this school year or the next.

I too wish they had offered MMR as separate jabs, because the sheer number of diseases they get vaccinated for all at one appointment seems like overload to me. I think they would have had much better take-up if that had been an option.

At nearly 8 weeks old DGS starts on his round of jabs next week.

Lizzy

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Lizzy Taylor

I have a health visitor friend in the NE with responsibility for TB and asylum seekers... The correlation between the two groups is significant. One of the things they REALLY appreciate is the TB treatment they get, but persuading them they need to take THE WHOLE COURSE THEMSELVES, even when they feel better, is hard... Sometimes it is difficult to get through to them that they don't need to save drugs for other members of the family: if they have TB, we give them their OWN set of drugs!

I've heard people argue that we should not be handing out these drugs to asylum seekers... Let me tell you, it is WAAAAAY cheaper to treat the folk than to leave them to infect the rest of us!

I think research showed that the MMR was more effective against all three than the three separate ones, and was easier on the kids for many reasons (not least of which was one jab rather than three!).

How's he doing? Got pix?

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Kate XXXXXX

When I posted that I had my Flu shot, I never expected to get such a lively discussion going. I'm delighted that their has been such a positive reaction. I am of the opinion that vaccinations are very important. Judie I'm delighted to hear that you are getting a pertussis booster. You are putting the safety of others first. I'm also so happy to see that the problem of pertussis is been brought to the public this year. It's something most of us ignore as we get older. We think that we had all our shots as a child and that's it for a lifetime. Get your boosters and be safe. Juno

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Juno B

I recently posted on "Facebook" about getting my flu shot and how glad I am to be able to get one this year to help protect myself and my family, blah, blah, blah. My DD's MIL (one of the many who for some unknown reason have decided that vaccinations are a vast "big pharma/gvmint" conspiracy posted this comment in response and I just have to share (or vent if you prefer the gosh honest truth):

(this in response to my post and to a link regarding a study that shows there may be some relation to getting flu shots and avoiding heart attacks)

and I quote: "Must be the mercury in it, right? There is also work afoot trying to make the gullible believe that thimerisol (mercury) has a "protective effect" on the brain... Know what I say? FOLLOW THE MONEY, HONEY -- what are the funding sources for these studies?"

the link is here:

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Judie

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Judie in Penfield NY

I'd suggest she suffers form "Vaccination Induced Autism Syndrome", but that insults people who are autistic.

She sounds like the folks locally who don't "believe" in modern medicine. Period. They anoint with oil, lay-on-hands, and pray. Their cemetery is FULL of dead children:

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BEI Design

That's too funny because she actually claims to be a practicing witch

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She once visited and forgot her runes when she left and had to stop at her sister's on her way home to borrow some until she could come back to get hers. She's in Massachusetts (fairly apt I know but she recently moved from Maine) and we're Western New York.

Judie

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Judie in Penfield NY

I lurk often, post seldom, but had to say something about vaccinations. I had whooping cough as a child. My poor mother was stuck in the house - for a month - with six sick children. My dad had to live with his parents, so he could continue going to work to support his family. Groceries were dropped at the front door (by dad). I missed the first month of first grade due to that quarantine. I am also of the opinion that vaccinations are important.

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Maureen

You bring back memories. I had whooping cough before I was old enough for school. My mother caught it, too. She was down for the count, flat on her back. My case was not so severe, so I got to play almost unsupervised. Those "childhood diseases" can be fatal, but usually for the poor adults that catch them.

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Pogonip

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