OT - Story: My child hating reputation

I know that most of you think that I love children, but that hasn't always been the case. A little over twenty years ago, I was told I was a child hating B*tch, and I happily agreed with the accusers.

Years ago, at the Wang Center, we were seeing the Boston Ballet perform "Swan Lake." We were in the "cheap seats," second balcony and all that, but they still weren't inexpensive by any stretch of the imagination. I had bought tickets for a friend's birthday, and we were really looking forward to the show.

Just before the show began, we heard a little noise, just enough to make us turn around and look. A family with two small daughters, decked out for the ballet. We thought it was kind of odd, since this wasn't "The Nutcracker," where you expect children, nor was it an afternoon performance. This being pre-Bob (and of course pre-DD), I really didn't think anything of it.

Until the plinking started. The parents had provided the children with snacks to keep them quiet during the performance. (I had always subscribed to the notion that any child who needs bribes to behave during a performance is too young to be there - but I digress) Apparently the snack bags had a quantity of M&M candies with peanuts, which if dropped, one by one, make an amazing echoing plinking noise as they drop down the steep steps of the second balcony, just before they fall down on the occupants of the first balcony.

I started out politely, asking the parents to control their children. But the parents had suddenly developed some sort of memory problem, and were staring at the children as if they hadn't seen the little darlings before. The little girls giggled, and the moment my back was turned, the plinking resumed.

By now, we were hearing grumbling drifting up from the first balcony, where I presume some audience members were treated to the sensation of M&Ms dropping on their heads. An usher tried to discreetly speak to the parents, with exactly zero success. The rest of us in the second balcony got to hear a lecture on how it was entirely appropriate for children to be allowed to enjoy a cultural experience, and how mean spirited the rest of the world was for "hating children."

I don't hate children, although there were two kids right there I would have happily strangled, along with their parents. These tickets, a birthday present for my friend, had made a significant dent in my budget. Even my friend was starting to get annoyed, and she teaches seriously emotionally disturbed children all day long - nothing ruffles this woman.

Finally, I reached my breaking point. Giving the parents the "wild eyed look of death," I snatched the half empty bags of M&Ms from each child and stuffed them in my purse. The father made a token protest that I was stealing, but he stopped dead when he saw the look on my face and the faces of the other theatregoers around him.

Alas, the family fled at intermission. We enjoyed the second half of the show in blissful peace. The only fly in the ointment is that I just know that family probably still recounts how horrible those child hating people were when they were only trying to expose their children to a cultural treasure. And enough time has passed that these children have grown up and (dear god) had children of their own.

I can only hope that I soured that lovely family on going to the ballet.

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V
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I only have one thing to say to this: *grin*

snip< I know that most of you think that I love children, but that hasn't always been the case. A little over twenty years ago, I was told I was a child hating B*tch, and I happily agreed with the accusers.>snip<

~Candace~ your local hemp goddess :)

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Candace

Heh, heh, heh.... :-)

Arondelle

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Arondelle

I love kids just couldnt eat a whole one :-)

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ally

Ditto. And they call ME "selfish" for not wanting to have kids?!!

One of the things I really despise about our current culture is that we have completely discarded the notion that there is ANY venue which is inappropriate for children. What do these kids have to look forward to as they grow up?

Celine

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Lee S. Billings

You know...many times I stick up for parents and play devil's advocate when you're only seeing a 'snapshot' of their lives. Like at the grocery store when a parent is disciplining for something and it just looks awful because we might not have seen what happened right before or half an hour before or the day before or whatever...it's taken out of context. i'm not talking hitting them or anything like that. i'm talking frustrated parent.

But your story sounds like parents being oblivious to other people around them. i HATE that! unfortunately, it's not the childrens' fault and people end up not liking them for being regular kids in a situation that they either shouldn't be, or their parents should be more aware. Another unfortunate thing is that those kids, when they become adults, have the same entitled attitude. Yuck.

Now, if their lives go anything like mine do, and they're aware enough to notice it...they'll probably be put in a similar situation and maybe they'll see how it feels and learn from it. I'm guessing if that happens though, that they'll be put out rather than enlightened. :)

I gotta give you credit. I wouldn't have had the guts to do anything about it...well, maybe not in the fashion you did :) and I'm surprised that the people around you didn't stand up and applaud you.

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Lori Greenberg

Gee, what I wouldn't give to see that look! LOL

Cheri (Bubbee to Emily and Nathan)

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Cheri2Star

I have been told I hate children as well. I don't hate children at all and dote on my daughters. I don't like unruly children or their parents. I have little patience for the type of thing you describe. I could take my children to the ballet at a very young age and I never had any problems with them. Of course, they were well behaved because that's how they are raised.

I don't like to go to a restaurant and have children turning around to stare at you, running all over the place, screaming at the top of their lungs, or saying "mommy" over and over again. Before we are seating anywhere I tell the host/hostess to not sit us anywhere near children. I gave up a long time ago with the loose childrearing going on.

I know it sounds awful but that's how I feel. However, I adore my little neighbors and dote on them as well. All the kids around here are well behaved. The boys are rowdy but what would you expect with boys.

Nutcracker,"

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starlia

I thought the same thing the other day. There were all kinds of places I couldn't go to growing up because I wasn't old enough. There are children everywhere now. A grown up can only count on a child free date if they stay home and if their children are somewhere else. Thankfully most children don't like opera and most parents don't take them. I feel safe there.

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starlia

I'm boggling.

What do people think is selfish about not having children? I always thought it was the opposite! I considered it a very selfish decision to have kids... I mean, I didn't have them to bestow upon a poor hapess soul the precious gift of life (guffaw) but because *I wanted to have kids.* I. Me. Hello, me? I certainly wasn't thinking about how fulfilled they would be when I cuddled and nursed them, or how cute they would think I was.

Do people really think not having kids is selfish? What on earth are they thinking of? Selfish *how*?

This makes me do the big "whatever!" My eyes are wide. I just plain don't get it.

As for the ballet, some people are FREAKING CLUELESS. That's the whole "sense of entitlement" problem rearing its ugly head again. Kids acting up? LEAVE! Better yet, have the common sense not to take them in the first place. Kathy, good for you. I hope it made them reconsider taking their kids to formal grown-up venues. What torment for the kids, besides!

-Kalera

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Lee S. Bill> Ditto. And they call ME "selfish" for not wanting to have kids?!! >

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Kalera Stratton

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:14:47 -0400, starlia wrote (in message ):

It depends entirely on the child and the resolve of the parents to leave if there is any trouble. When DD was a baby, she had to prove her behavior at Macdonald's and the like before going to anyplace better. She was four when we took her to the movies for the first time, and we sat in the back near the door - as soon as she started talking over the movie, we were outta there.

The ballet would have been just fine for these kids had they been a couple of years older, and if the parents had picked an afternoon matinee of "The Nutcracker." It's a ballet that appeals to children, there are loads of them in the audience and a little noise is expected. Not so with Swan Lake. For the record, DD has seen "The Nutcracker," and probably won't go to another ballet until she's old enough to want to buy the tickets herself.

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

On Tue, 11 May 2004 15:44:23 -0400, Lori Greenberg wrote (in message ):

I had a lot less tolerance in those days, and a lot less self control. This happened when I was no older than twenty. BTW, I got a lot of grateful smiles from the other patrons, but we were all so frazzled from the plinking I think that we really weren't going to stand for any additional noise.

I'm so mellow now, I'm practically comatose. (I'd best not say that around the family, because they'd probably choke from laughter.)

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

I think people have been of the opinion that I hate children, but I don't. I just don't think they should be the centre of attention all the time. It's not good for them.

What I hate is how when I go to a party where there are parents, they talk about their children 90% of the time. And I sit there with a smile plastered on my face thinking "I'm borrrred." If I matched them story for story with my cats they'd think I was nuts.

And all the children tear around the common area around my house and I love it. The cats stay in the yard that way.

Selfish for not having children? I dunno. I get to spend more time doing what pleases me and I think that is what really bugs the people who say things like that.

Dora

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Bungadora

When DD was a baby, she had to prove her behavior at Macdonald's and the like before going to anyplace better. snip... ballet would have been just fine for these kids had they been a couple of years older, and if the parents had picked an afternoon matinee of "The Nutcracker." >

I think it depends on the CHILD and the PARENT~~~~ My parents took me to some famous restaurant in New Orleans - (can't think of the name now) when I was about four years old.... the people at the next table were giving my parent's the evil eye when the waitress seated us next to them. (oh god - a KID!.. you know the look). As the elderly couple left from their meal - the man walked over and handed my mother a silver dollar and said "this is for the young lady, she's the most well behaved child we ever saw."

I also went to the theatre, and ballet as a very young child. Dressed to the nine's - black patents, velvet dresses and white gloves... and I knew how to sit properly like a lady - and WATCH... course - I loved it... which would explain why I danced ballet as a child - and did theatre all up through my college days! LOL

I also hate kids who KICK THE BACK OF A SEAT! generally my response is to turn to the parent and say sweetly "would you like to exchange seats with me - so I can sit and kick the back of your kid's seat?....

unfortunately -even ADULTS do that one some time - last week we went to "Lord of the Dance" and my friend complained that the lady behind her kept kicking the seat...... she finally gave the woman the evil eye - and she quit...

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.combeads (Cheryl) :

]I also hate kids who KICK THE BACK OF A SEAT! generally my response is to ]turn to the parent and say sweetly "would you like to exchange seats with me - ]so I can sit and kick the back of your kid's seat?....

that happened to me on a plane. and there was no way to get away from it and the parents were so snotty it was obviously MY fault!

he also screeched 1/2 way across the country.

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I am the oldest of 10 children, and we were always expected to be on the very best behavior in public. My parents explained that most people expected the children in a large family to be poor, dirty and ill-behaved.

We *didn't* have money, but they did teach us self-respect and pride. Plus, if we dared to misbehave in *any* manner in public, when we got home, we got one punishment for what ever we had done, and a second for doing it in public.

Once, when I was about 18, we saved up enough to take the entire family out to dinner at an inexpensive resturant - we had never all been out together. When we went to pay, there was no bill. Some other guest at the resturant was so impressed with our behavior - even the youngest who was only about 4, that he had paid our entire bill.

I have never forgotten that. When I am in a public place and there is a family with well behaved children, I make a point to complement the parents. I got a good laugh one time, as I walked away, I heard the Mom tell her kids "see - I told you people notice!"

Ellen

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Ellen Winnie

The "selfishness" comes from not doing our part to ensure the future of the human race (that's what I've been told, anyway). Oh, and let's not forget "emotionally stunted".

Cheers, Carla (selfishly childfree )

Kalera Stratt> I'm boggling.

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Carla

Well I can say that some people shouldn't be parents. So I applaud anyone who decides not to have children for their own reasons. I also applaud folks who have children and raise them to be an asset to society.

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starlia

It's funny, we make a huge point of only taking our children to FAMILY restaurants. Oddly, it seems like many other parents don't see the point of doing this, and take their small children to fancy restaurants, where the little tkes feel free to rampage. How sweet!

On the other hand, last time we were at Bella Fascia, a tasty family pizza joint (by "family" I mean suitable for the whole family and frequented by people with children, not a scary place with balloons and people dressed as cartoon characters) a horrid (I do not use that term lightly) hipster couple with sour expressions sat at the table next to us. We had our six-year-old and our four-year-old plus the baby, so we sat in the one corner of the restaurant that had no other occupants. Of course, the kids were talking at the top of their lungs, telling me stories, asking where their pizza was, and the baby was making periodic chortles of joy that put one in mind of large tropical birds. The hipsters wasted no time in scowling in our direction and whispering to each other, obviously thinking we shouldn't have brought our awful little brats out in public, let alone to a restaurant. Eventually, they huffily pouted off to another table... only to be confronted with ANOTHER FAMILY FULL OF KIDS! OH NO! They finished their dinner rather quickly and left with a final glare for the entire restaurant, which by then was full of happy, noisy pizza-eating children.

Hopefully, they will think twice about attending a restaurant with the words "Family Restaurant" displayed proudly in the front window.

I later ran into the sour-faced hipster male at the local art walk. He was sneering at some apparently unpalatable miniature glass chairs that, to me, seemed magical and wonderful. I wonder whether he finds joy anywhere in life? The other hipsters seemed to be having a good time... this year, "genuine enthusiasm and enjoyment" seem to be "in".

-Kalera

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Kalera Stratton

Screaming kids (especially *very* young kids) on a plane are a pain, but I'll cut 'em a little slack during the periods of ascent and descent. I'm old enough to know how to deal with the pressure changes, which can be very painful to the ears; they aren't.

Celine

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Lee S. Billings

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