vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy N-V :
]Anarchy, thy name is Kathy N-V
and a lady after my own heart. me they just call the family troublemaker!
----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)
ha! hahahahahahahaha! Love it!
~Candace~ your local hemp goddess :)
I used to hear it *lots* back when I was still breedable . "What would happen to the world if more women felt like you? If they just decided they didn't *want* kids, huh?" I'd answer with stuff like, "There'd be a lot fewer idiots in traffic."
Lessee...I was also called a race traitor ("It's your *duty* as a Black woman to be the mother of future leaders of our people!")
Eh...at my age, I don't get those kind of questions/remarks anymore . People want to know if I regret that I'll never have grandchildren. (No, they'd want to touch my beads!)
Cheers, Carla
Kalera Stratt> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
In my family it was my mother I worried about at Mass. I have some indelible memories.
Like the time my mother went to speak to the nun because I was told I couldn't have First Holy Communion with the rest of my class. My mother was waiting for me in the car with the wonderful treat of a little bag of potato chips, all happy for me about receiving the Sacrament for the first time next week in my pretty white dress. I arrived crying. Mom got out told me to wait in the car for her. But it was taking a very long time and so I went looking for her. I wandered around trying to figure out where they were, because they weren't in my Sunday school classroom. I heard voices and went to listen at the door. Just then my mother burst through the door and dragged me away. But not before I glanced in and saw that the nun had blood trickling from her nose, and the chips were scattered across the floor.
Another time, we had a new pastor from Ireland, who was an excellent administrator and thought very highly of himself and his opinions. In mass during the sermon he was demanding that we all must think that tithing was proper and the we all must do it. All of a sudden a cry of "NOOOO" rings out from the back of the church. I was sitting at the front of the church with my friend Penny Molakidis while my mother had given up her seat and stood at the back of the church to allow some one less well to sit.. I asked Penny, "Who was that crazy person?" That's your mother, she told me. It seems that although my mother does believe in tithing, and does give 10% of her money to the church, she was incensed that that Priest would have the audacity to tell he what she not only should think, but what she *did* think.
Sometimes you have to be careful where you take your parents!
Tina
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy N-V :
]I thought about that for a moment and told her that we were well behaved ]everywhere but Mass.
**sigh** Jamie and Johnny were that way. to the point where i had to sit between them every Sunday. the other members were mostly pretty forgiving. when Johnny went with me back to that church last Christmas Eve, the chalice bearer burst into tears when she saw him in line - she had missed him so much!----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy N-V :
]"Mary" was dragging the baby Jesus doll by its head last year.
oh, gods, does that bring back memories! the year Johnny was "Joseph" they still talk about. because the Sunday School teacher told him he was the baby's daddy. so instead of kneeling there quietly by the manger, he rocked it. and he kept adjusting the covers. and just 'fussing' over that doll. i've never seen so many people trying to hard not to laugh out loud - the ones that didn't have tears.
----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Christina Peterson" :
]But not before I glanced in and saw that the nun had ]blood trickling from her nose, and the chips were scattered across the ]floor.
LOL!!!!!!! boy, did you ever find out what brought that on???????
----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)
On Fri, 14 May 2004 4:03:58 -0400, vj wrote (in message ):
I would have paid to see that!
Has anyone outside of Boston heard that some deaf people between the ages of
41 and 67 are filing suit against the Sisters of Saint Joseph, saying that when the Sisters were their teachers, they used corporal punishment? I don't know a Catholic person over forty who _didn't_ get beat one time or another (or a lot) by a nun.Hearing that nuns used beat on kids is like hearing that the sun rises in the East. But unless things are a lot worse than the news stories are saying, I cannot imagine suing for getting a few hard whacks with a ruler. It wasn't right, but it was certainly accepted by the community standards of the time.
Kathy N-V
aaaawwwwwwww! That is So cute! Sounds like someone had a good picture (perhaps good role models, hhhmm? *s*) of how a parent acts with a baby.
~Candace~ your local hemp goddess :)
Oh. My. God.
I would have responded that "it's my duty as a Black woman to ram this chair leg up your butt, you moron!"
I like your answer about there being fewer idiots in traffic! I love those totally moronic "what ifs". "What if more women felt like you?" is right up there with "What if there was an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?"
-Kalera
On Fri, 14 May 2004 12:09:56 -0400, Kalera Stratton wrote (in message ):
Depends on the age of the children. My DD is 14 and almost all of her friends are allowed to go to the mall without parental supervision. Since I am totally overprotective, we've worked out a different scheme:
DD, her friends and I go to the mall. At least one child needs a watch, and I always wear a watch. I go to the food court, read and get a cup of tea, and DD wanders off with her friends to a designated quadrant of the mall. They all have to report back to me to go to any other part of the mall, or every half hour, whichever comes first.
DD and I both have our cell phones in case there are problems. All the kids get the standard warning that although they are honest, many teens are not. Do not give a store clerk even the slightest reason to think you are going to steal anything. But if they do, tell them that your Mom is here at the mall, and call me, or send one of the other kids to get me immediately. I will take care of it. Do not say anything to store security or a police officer until I arrive. God help you if you really were stealing.
We've done this more times than I can count in the past two years, and have never had even one problem. We also have variants for the movies (I won't watch what they like), museums and various other attractions. I've known all the kids forever, and they know that (1) any inter-child fighting means that the activity is over immediately, (2) any misbehavior that causes a person in charge to want to speak with me results in both the activity ending immediately and all kids catching hell once I get them alone and (3) leaving the other kids means that the activity ends and the offender will not be allowed to go with us again.
We've recently added rule 4: if you run into "cute" boys (their term. I do not find 14 year old boys attractive), you are welcome to socialize with them at the food court only. I don't care if it's the furthest point away from me at the food court, but it must be in my line of sight. Even if there is only one boy, all the girls have to stay together. Even if it's true love forever, the girls have to stay together, and cannot allow one girl to pair off with a boy. Not even if it's Romeo and Juliet, and he has a four carat diamond ring for the girl. Never, ever, ever.
They know the rules by heart, and recite them, punctuated by lots of laughter. They also know that the supreme rule is "This is not a democracy. It is Kath country - all the rules are mine to make and break, and you can like it or lump it." (they laugh at that one, too - but they know I'm not kidding.)
Kathy N-V
I think that depends on the age of the girls and the "quality" of the mall. My daughter and her pals have gone on their own for the last year (ages vary within 6 months of 14-15). She has a cell phone in case of emergencies. Normally they go to the mall for a half-hour, then a movie (the mall has a $2 second-run theater), then they call me to pick them up. I'm about 10 minutes away. This is an out-in-the boonies suburban mall in a reasonable area. Madame and her friends tend to hang out in the bookstore and the music store. I've never heard a bad word about them and they've never told me of a problem, other than a boy they knew lobbing milk duds at them during a movie. I hope their lives are always that simple.
KarenK
Well, 14 is a different story. A "whole nuther".
I'm starting a "parenting" file, and printing this off to stick in it for reference in the not-too-distant future. :) It sounds like an
*excellent* system!-Kalera
Well, as I said to Kathy, 14+ is another thing entirely. :) While teenagers are also "children", I was picturing, like, 9-year-olds. Alone at a mall.
-Kalera
My daughter asked if I felt bad that I didn't have any grandchildren (5 years ago). I responded that I could always borrow them. And after saying that I realized it was an odd thing to say. But you see, in Alaska, both the Athabaskan and the Eskimo societies believe children are an asset of the village/tribe, and they are shared.
Someone with 6 children would probably have a daughter living with a relative without daughters, or a son living with an uncle who needed someone to pass on his skills/trade to. A child would be "given" to an "grandparent" to learn stories or herbal lore, while hauling water for the elder. These traditions were more necessary in more difficult times, but they are still part of the lifestyle.
People "from the village" commonly speak of "my mother" referring to someone who birthed them, and "my Mom" as someone who raised them, or someone who took over their care when there was some sort of problem. And they might have as many as 3 or 4 of these "my mother"s. There is acknowledgement that all children are not psychologically suited to their parents. We all love our children, but sometimes we don't like them. There's no shame in that.
We need uncles and grandparents and cousins, etc, but they don't have to be blood relatives. And every village needs children, but not every adult needs them.
Tina
"Carla" wrote ...
I wasn't going to be allowed to have First Holy Communion with the rest of my class. It was because there as a prayer I couldn't memorize. I am not a rote learner, or even very verbal, and memorizing words is very difficult for me. However I had been going to class an extra year because I couldn't stand being left behind when my older brother started Sunday school, and I did have an excellent grasp of the concepts involved.
Tina
My experiences with the nuns were very good (Or they were afraid of my mother -- lol). But seriously. The nuns were a Jesuit branch, so there was a high level of intellectual interest, and a certain freedom of thinking was encouraged. My only bad experience with the clergy was this one instance of being left out for a reason that was not understood by the nun.
I lived in the same neighborhood all my childhood. The Catholics in my area all were taught by these same nuns. I heard no horror stories while growing up. And I have never actually met anyone who claims horrendous experiences. I know there have been lots of nuns with rules and corporal punishment. I believe it's fairly common because of lots of anecdotal evidence. But the abuse that we hear so much of in media, I have never heard about in person. I do not believe it is as common as people in the media like to make it sound, though I have no doubt it happened.
Tina
"Kathy N-V" wrote ...
What a lovely, sensible way of life.
But I am not showing this to my Sister cos she'll want me to take one or both of her girls, since they are both so much like me they could be mine (in behaviour that is not looks), their little brother has the quiet temperament of his Daddy which is just as well. :-)
In article , Christina Peterson writes
Yeah. "What if you had some brains?" Jeez.
Haw haw HAW! The idea of another adult telling me what my duty is just fries me. ~~ Sooz
------- "Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry." John Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance ~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
I know. (They were everywhere) ~~ Sooz
------- "Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry." John Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance ~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
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