OT: St. Andrew

A little Glenfiddich, or others I sipped in Scotland ( yup I lived there three years) would be great! A wee dram, the locals called it!!

Gillian

lucretia borgia wrote:

I knew he got rid of St. Christopher, but not St. Andrew. What did he do to deserve such treatment?

I shall raise my coffee cup in his name.

Lucille

Yes a wee dram - only not too wee lol Where were you in Scotland ?

I think he was rejected, along with St. George (England) St. Patrick (Ireland) St David (Wales) and the Greek Patron Saint (forgive me whoever my aged brain can't remember who he was right at this moment) Seemed strange to me, but I guess they had to be eliminated to make room for other, newer, saints.

As a Scot I still think St. Andrew rocks lol He's rocking a bit more with each wee dram too !

I lived in Kirn, near Dunoon from 1972 until 1975. (Paul was on the sub tender in Holy Loch).

The kids went to local schools, and we had a great time. Do you remember in your dim past the jazz guitarist, Ken Sykora?? He used to be on BBC a lot. He and his wife owned a lovely pub/hotel by the Kyles of Bute. (The Colintraive Hotel). We spent many happy hours there, both as a Sunday pub, but also with the locals. They also had two guest rooms, and on our anniversary we would stay there. The kids from both families got on great, and Ken was an super chef. He fixed whatever meal he fancied!!

No Americans went there, and many of the folk still spoke Gaelic. That is where I learned to drink the "wee dram", no substitutions. I could also say a few polite words in Gaelic. There was a local farmer, named Bunty MacIntyre, who would take us and the kids about 9 and 11) to his farm; his sheepdog "Fly" would herd the sheep. Happy days, and so simple!!

gill

lucretia borgia wrote:

oh, no!! Not St. George!!!!

Gillian

I don't know it but figured likely you were there with subs.

Yes it was a more simple life. We used to take quick holidays in Scotland but nearer Glen Coe at Ballachulish. Same sort of thing, family running the pub/hotel and very friendly. I haven't been back in years, only two cousins left there, one in Perth and the other in Glen Cova. They are the only two left now, all the rest of us are scattered across the globe, all the way to Ulan Bhator. The one in Glen Cova had four children but they are in various parts of the world too.

You know what was said, that the only thing that would keep the Scots in Scotland would have been a toll gate lol

Do you believe they should have saved the English ????

My first thought was....is it getting crowded in Saintsville? Why do any of them need to "make room" for newer saints? Bizarre I say!!

MelissaD who someday hopes to make it to visit Scotland (Grandpa McMartin would want me to :)

Quite apart from Grandpa, you will love it too lol

The rationale was that many of the saints were not backed up by much historical information - in fact, some were obviously pagan gods/local superstitions/folks tales which had gradually been rewritten as stories of saints.

Now, personally, I like the older saints who personify specific traits and prefer them to the new trend to canonize 20th century catholic church officials which appears to have been started by. JPII. And, I think there are saints, and there are 'saints'. For me the list includes Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and Rosa Parks - none of them perfect, but with qualiteis that put them above the common person.

Marg

I just found it a bit off that Patron Saints of countries were axed. Sainthood like medals given in war, probably does not go to the right person.

Yes, but when did you hear of miracles being attributed to any of those???

Andrew, if you believe the Bible, was a real person, as was Patrick. Not to mention Columba, Aiden, et al.

Pat P

"Pat P" wrote>

I especially love the medieval saints and their stories. "True"--probably not, but attempts by people to express some sense of how special these people were. And I have made it a personal point to bring forward in writings at our parish the stories of the great saints of what is now Britain, as they are as much a part of the Anglican heritage as Henry VIII, who tends to steal the show. I have a lovely image of Julian of Norwich with an orange tabby cat that never fails to bring a smile.

My DS did make a point of sending me notification of the beatification by the last Bishop of Rome of the Italian monk credited with discovering cappucino--he thinks I ought to build a little shrine.

Dawne

Even I`ll come and worship at that one, Dawne!

Pat P

That definitely fits my idea of someone who deserves to be called Saint. Look how much good he has done to promote peace and tranquility.

Lucille