OT: Statistics for Jim

snipped-for-privacy@actcom.co.il (Mirjam Bruck-Cohen),in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

That would be incorrect. Over here 99% of the television/radio news is heavily, and I do mean heavily, slanted in favour of Israel. Like Fred, I listen to other broadcasts from other countries in order to try and round out news reports and NOT just take as gospel what our media here puts forth.

We are always seeing news clips of your Prime Minister and what he has to say on any given thing, but far less frequently what the President of Lebanon has to say. One has to go looking to hear anything else. I get weary of seeing C. Rice running around, looking important but doing nothing. I think Koffi Anan (sp?) was correct when he said the world should be ashamed that it has allowed this to happen to the Lebanese. If we should be ashamed, where does that leave you ?

Lucretia Speaking from Personal Experience of course!!! You Never see hear or want to know , our side. mirjam

As i sit all day under alarms of falling rockets i have time to read your words,,,,, If you are so kin on quoting Mr Annan , you should also note that he put the blame on Hizbulla , and never denied us the right to deffened ourselves. The UN should be ashamed since the Stashing of Rockets was done under the surveilance of the Unifil. Who by the way also watched ,3 years ago the killing and kidnapping of

3 of our boys by the Hizbulla, and for quite sometime they refused to tell it to the parents. They never did a thing about it. I think that President Seniora has every Media open to him. He neglected his duty to his country 6 years ago to disarm this Terror Militia. That is the root of all evil. Our side of the INTERNATIONAL accknowledged border we built Tourist resorts, the other side built Rockets storages..

If you don`t get it that this is a fight against a new form of Facism than you are in for a big surprise. You or your grand kids. mirjam

Like we should believe anything that comes out of that man's mouth??? Have you forgotten his role in the money for food scandal?

From what I can tell on US TV, the coverage is surprisingly not pro Israel. Just remember that anytime you mess with Israel, they will fight back. As I recall, the Israel soldiers (not sure how many) were kidnapped first and that's what started this??

Janet

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Why is what he says less pungent because of the food scandal ? I don't have to 'believe' what he says, he made a statement that did not ask anything of anyone. If he were Satan himself, I could still agree with him. Funny idea that, that I should or shouldn't 'believe' anything coming out of his mouth ! A little biased are we ?

You beautifully reflect the media output of CNN, it's like looking in a mirror lol

snipped-for-privacy@bellsouth.net wrote: > As I

Mom's Favorite Question: "And what did you do to her FIRST?"

There's a long history of aggression between Arabs and Jews, going back generations. At this point, it's become rather like when your mother reminds your father of that time in 1959 that he.....

Turkey ceded this land to Britain after WWI. As the owner, Britain could do anything they wanted with it and the Arabs had no control over the land which was no longer theirs. Britain was in favor of using it for a Jewish Homeland, which came to fruition in 1948 with the blessing of the UN. The Arabs swore to run the Jews out of their own country, just as they'd been run out of many other countries (which was why they needed a Jewish Homeland).

I'm sorry if the Arabs don't like it, but in the 20th century, the land was Britain's to do with as they wished. It made sense to Britain, and the rest of the UN, to create a Jewish homeland on land which was once the heart of Judaism. They didn't have to ask permission from the Arabs any more than you need to ask your neighbor's permission to invite Aunt Edna to sit in your own back yard.

I don't like my neighbors, either, but I've found it more socially-acceptable to ignore the *itch than to throw firebombs at her house to try to run her off. Maybe the Arabs should learn to do the same.

YES Janet , Hizbula the terrorist militia , that overtook South Lebanon, Attacked 2 of our [ Israeli] villages with rockets, and under the cover of this attack , they Cut through the INTERNATIONAL REcognized Border , went into Israeli territoy killed 3 and kidnapped

2 of our boys. mirjam

Yes and no. It depends on the software you are using. Over simplifying, each character has 256 possibilities. The first 128 of these are standard (nearly) and all computers treat them the same. The top 128 can vary. You get Russian cyrilic characters, chinese symbols, etc. This is why I ask people to spell out things like dollars and pounds on rctn. In this case, your attempt at e acute is in the top 128, and came out on my computer as some sort of figure 8. HTH.

Brenda Lewis ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

The alt key codes are a thing unto themselves - see here

But if we read Fred's biased comments and then read your biased comments, we should have a perfectly balanced picture, no?

Elizabeth

That's a pretty selective history, Karen. You've forgotten both the part where Britain got the Arabs to revolt against the Ottoman Empire by promising that they would have independence in those lands and the part where Britain forbade Jewish immigration into the area, as well as the part where Britain managage to promise the same bit of land to two different groups of people at the same time.

Elizabeth

I watched "60 Minutes" last night and the interview with the President of Iran (don't ask me to spell it). It was quite an artful dodge on his part, but I was especially curious about his remarks asking why the land was carved out of the Middle East when Europe (if there was a holocaust) could have volunteered some of their land.

It is interesting to me how we come up with these supposedly logical and rational ideas. This man is highly educated.

He also doesn't like Bush very much.

All in all, a unique interview. Those who understand all of the history there will probably have a lot to chew on after viewing this.

Dianne

Dianne Lewandowski ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

Dianne, first prize for understatement of the year ! I say that in amusement.

I missed the interview unfortunately.

Theodore Herzl is said to have favored a European homeland for the Jews, but there has always been religious support for a return to the land given by God to Abraham. And by the turn of the last century, there was already a movement among European Zionists to purchace land for settlement by Jewish families.

Here lies one of the roots of the modern problem. European Jews with European ideas of property bought land from absentee landlords in the Ottoman court and then settled that land (which they considered theirs, having purchased it), displacing the Arab peasants whose families had lived on the land for centuries (thus, in their eyes, making the land theirs) and creating both a displacement issue and a political problem. There were riots against Jewish settlements in the area even under the Ottomans.

One of the common anti-Isreali positions taken by Arabs and other leaders of poorer countries is that Israel is the result of European colonization: the anti-Semitic Europeans didn't know what to do with their Jews so they exported the problem to the Middle East. Like all slogans, it's a bit simplistic, but obviously President Ahmadinejad buys it. He's also a Holocaust denyer, by the way, which significantly weakens his credibility.

Elizabeth

Just another quick clarification: Britain was actually ambivalent about creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine and had to be helped along in making their decision by the activity of the Irgun and other "nationalist" movements. But Britain was certainly not in favor of creating an Israeli state in 1948. In fact, they washed their hands of the situation by declaring their intention to abandon the Mandate as of May 15, 1948 (and they were, at the time, actively selling guns to the Arabs. The Israelis, ironically enough, got theirs from Czechoslovakia).

Elizabeth

Great Britain, by the way, disapproved of the UN's plan to partition the area now occupied by Israel, and abstained from voting on it.

Why won`t it on mine???? All I get is that annoying "Plonk"

Pat P

Dr. Brat said

Do you ever think that educated people really don't believe the simplistic slogans they spout but say those things to stir up a less educated 'fan' base? I do