Re: Schooling (long)

Jul 08, 2010 22 Replies

IN the US, preschool is generally privately paid by parents, and can be any or all of the years ages 2-5. (This is different than daycare, which is childcare while parents work.) Preschool is most commonly half day, though sometimes all day (especially as children approach "real school" age), anywhere from 2-5 mornings or afternoons per week. It can be a community-based coop, a church outreach, or quite expensive private school. It's the whole gamut. It's basically socialization, learning colors/numbers/prereading skills.



Because it's privately paid and seen as a worthwhile pre-educational experience, the gov't. authored "Head Start" programs starting in the



1960s to fill the gap between children of parents who could and parents who couldn't afford preschool. It was felt that students who had pre-school were more "ready" for learning in first grade.

When I started school in 1960 (I'm showing my age!), kindergarten was typically the first school experience. Few children went to preschool in the little working-class town where I grew up. DH, who grew up in a city and was the child of academics, did go to preschool - a parent-driven coop preschool, IIRC.



In my experience, schooling in the US was grades 1-12 (ages 6 through



17/18). A lot of school systems offered kindergarten as a pre-school socialization - learning letters, how to line up, ordering the day (pledge of allegiance, weather/calendar, etc.). Kindergarten attendance was not legally REQUIRED until as recently as the 1970s/80s, depending on where you lived. (Education requirements were state-mandated, not federally so.)

In the 1990s, there began a push for optional pre-kindergarten and mandatory all-day kindergarten, and these were, I believe, part of the "No Child Left Behind" education reform of the GW Bush years. All-day kindergarten and half-day pre-kindergarten is now the norm in the public schools, to my knowledge. I don't think pre-K is mandatory; it's an option for parents who use the public schools rather than private preschool. Many of the preschools offer kindergarten, and parents often (in my area, anyway, it could be different elsewhere) keep their children in the private preschool from age 2 or 3 through kindergarten, then start the public schools with 1st grade.



Each state used to have its own deadline for age before school entrance. Here in MD, it used to be 12/31 of the year the child entered school. Therefore a child could start kindergarten at age 4-3/4 and first grade at 5-3/4. For some children, this seemed too young for the pressures of all-day school. Some private schools began to offer "pre-first" grade, a developmentally appropriate growth year between kindergarten and first grade. I elected for this with my son, who had a late October BD. (In contrast, where I grew up in NJ, the child had to be five by 9/30 of the year he/she started kindergarten. And in the past decade or so, Maryland has rolled back the age cutoff...I believe it's now sometime before my young niece's BD in late October, because her parents were perturbed she wouldn't be able to start public school "on schedule" and would therefore be one of the oldest students in her grade.)



School attendance is mandatory through age 16, I believe, meaning at age



16 a student can legally "drop out" if they don't intend to graduate. There's a move afoot to change this to age 18, but I don't think it's yet in force.

In most places, public school is: Elementary: Pre-K through grade 5 Middle school - grades 6,7,8 High school, grades 9-12



There is a move now in many places to revert to K-8 elementary schools, and do away with middle schools.



Hope that helps! And everyone chime in if your area's system is substantially different.


sue


Thank you all for the comprehensive explanations of USA schooling. It sounds an excellent system, although some states are not starting as young. The UK system was much simpler, but did start with the pre-school education, which is really necessary to be able to get the best out of the "real" schooling. There, too, children leave school early when they want to, which is not a bad thing if they go into other training. When I was at school, the age at which one could leave changed from 14 to 15, and later to 16. Unfortunately, most early leavers just "get a job" - or idle around, unemployed.

I must admit, there seems little point in forcing children to stay at school when they just make life miserable for teachers and other students who would want to learn. I'm presuming that some of the films one sees about this are based on fact.

I hope one day that South Africa will catch up with the rest of the world, although as always, those with money have far better options than those without, however deserving.

Joyce in RSA.

New Zealand has, I think, a unique early school system. Legally all children must in school or doing registered/approved home school by the time they are six, but can start school once they are five. Basically the system is

Kindergarten (pre-school) for 3 and 4 yr olds. 3yrs attend several afternoon sessions during the week, 4yrs attend 5 morning sessions. Pre-school is not compulsory. Now here is the biggie Children start school ON their 5th birthday. This means that the first school class has new beginners all the way through the year. My daughter turned 5 a week before the school year ended. She still started at school, had her week, the summer holidays and then had all the following year in year 1.

The first class is called "new entrants" or year 0. The primary schools cover years 0 to 6 Intermediate schools cover years 7 and 8 High schools cover years 9 to 13.

I have always had great respect for the new entrant teachers. At any time during the year they can have a mixture of children ranging from just turned 5 with no pre-school and no educational skills, 5yrs who have been through kinder ready to learn to read & count, other 5yr olds who have been taught to read at home and nearly 6yr olds who have basic reading and number skills. They seem to manage extremely well.

The only time when most of the class are roughly the same level is at the beginning of the school year when a number of kids who have turned

5 over the summer all start together.

I don't know if any other country has a year 13, which consists mainly of 18yr olds.

Regards, Annette

US schooling varies greatly by state. Hawaii for example instated a four day week , started with every second Friday off now all Fridays are what are called furlough Fridays. financial, it was either fire teachers or cut the school time. Not all states have the same number of school days per year. Hawaii is I understand 2nd lowest in number of days spent in school. I had grand children in the Hawaiian school system last school year. Ruby

A hockey friend who is an Army wife just left Hawaii for their next posting (VA). She was mixed on the situation. Oldest boy would have been fine no matter what, the second was having issues anyway and the youngest would have been ok. She had liked the teachers the boys had had to date, but worried about some of the things money was being spent on - just like parents everywhere.

Cheryl

DD and family are moving to Maryland, near . It looks as if there may be more resources for DGD who is autistic. Although I was quit impressed with what they had to offer in Hawaii once all the approvals were done. The shorter school week did not really affect her children as Kathleen was in special program and Joshua was in primary. Also in the schools favour The class sizes were small, 8 for Kathleen and 15 for Joshua ( they had 6 primary's) Josh was very keen to get to school and is ecstatic that he can read now. once exposed he just seemed to fly with it on his own as he has with math , into everyday life. It was difficult for parents who had to find day care for one day a week.

Ruby

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

Near where? I'm in Towson (Baltimore County), and would be happy to share what I know about public schools in MD systems. I think the resources in MD systems are really good, compared to most. Schools are well funded, generally speaking; however, systems are quite uneven in their delivery of special services. Schools are run on the county level

- no incorporated towns. If DD would like to, have her email me (suestitcher) for ideas.

(use verizon.net after the @ sign)

cheers, Sue

I think she's in/near Arlington VA. I know they're off doing stuff with her family right now in KS.

The real question, is will they find hockey teams. I can just imagine her reaction to hours of driving!

C

Hey, if they could find it in Hawaii, they can find it anywhere!

There are some youth hockey teams in B'more...one of the kids at church played on one. (At least, that was his excuse for not coming to Sunday School....ice time scheduled!)

sue

That's me...about a mile and a half from the city line on the north side of town. We'll talk when she emails....

sue

Um, isn't it illegal for boys to date teachers?????

J,

Joan..... Though Luke is likely to be a lady killer in a few years

I must admit I'm loving the lack of early AM ice on a weekly basis. Now we just drive all over the place!

Cheryl

Where abouts in Maryland, Ruby?? We were at NAS Patuxent River...down in St Mary's county for seceral years.

Gill

Plenty of hockey teams around. True enough about B'more - Columbia, Frederick, Abingdon (north) and a lot all around the DC Beltway. Easily within 30 min of any of the 'burbs of Baltimore or DC. IF they're in Arlington there is house league at Ballston (where the CAPS practice) and at least 2 youth clubs plus schools have ice there.

Best thing - recommend you tell your friend to check the "Capital Beltway Hockey League" which has clubs from Richmond all the way up to Edgewood (north of Baltimore) & Frederick, MD.

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you want some info - forward my e-mail - happy to try and help. Ellice

LOL - but your hockey drives in NE are minimal compared to the kids playing Tier I - at least the girls - around here! When we first started playing men's league - we actually had ice time that didn't end til nearly 1 AM! Made for some interesting mornings at work!

E

Now wouldn't that be fun???. Maybe we need Sheena to join us with more lobster, and her home-made wine!!LOL

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