Small scissors to be allowed on airplanes

Mirjam needs to remember that the Israelis set the standard for security checks.

Cheryl

Well *I* certainly wouldn`t!!! But people do - must be a bit like wearing a cheese-wire!

Pat P

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Now there's an image that's going to stick with me all night!

Cheryl

I can only judge by my daughter :) Frankly, I wonder why she wears a bra lol She surrendered hers. I said I would have argued it, she just said she was on a business trip, had to get to Dallas and felt it was 'cost of doing business' lol One of the five women called did not board, so presumably she did not surrender her bra.

Yes and no. It is far easier to control 12 'planes and have massive security than it is for Air Canada with 3000 in flight daily. I am think the same general statistics would apply to US airlines too. Remember, given the size of our countries, air travel is the norm so El Al pales in comparison.

Try and think about stopping each passenger and doing psychological profiles - ain't gonna work.

And what exactly do you mean by this reamrk ? Cheryl ? mirjam

Lcretia , Maybe it is `easier` to deffend 12 planes, and maybe because there are only 12 the danger for being hit is greater ? Anyway we have security checks at every main bus /train stations ,malls , kindergartens schools , and we all LIVE better for it .... Your Mockery and Cynicism won`t change the fact of the needed safety rules. According to your ideas, it is useles to wear safety hats , safety belts , or connect your Elecrticity to earth ,,,afterall Lightning doesn`t hit all houses , so why add al this costly safety gadgets??? mirjam

"Cheryl Isaak"

It would certainly "split the difference!" as my old Mum would say!!! YeeeeOUCH!

Pat P

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My answer would be briefs and/or less snug clothing.

Cheryl (completely unc> A lady banker once told me she only wear thong underwear because that is

Oh PAT!

This is Fred, Sheena and Gillian territory now! Cheryl

You twist everything Mirjam.

Are you not able to see that security checks with 12 'planes is possible - but to try and extend that to around 3000 per day and still get everyone where they are going, just is NOT possible. The USA and Canada would just grind to a halt and it is not as if one can choose alternate transport to travel Halifax to Toronto for a one day business trip. You could spend best part of a week on a train, or you could drive non-stop, take about two days and not very reliable in winter.

How you extend my argument into safety hats and the like is ingenuous. Of course I believe in taking those types of precautions. They are easy to make and clearly demonstrated to be effective. Whereas airport security is there for the feel good reaction of passengers as opposed to being known to be effective.

While on the subject of "anal floss", this is a story from another group:

-------------------- Bad day at work

This is even funnier when you realize it's real! The next time you have a bad day at work...think of this guy. Rob is a commercial saturation diver for Global Divers in Louisiana. He performs underwater repairs on offshore drilling rigs. Below is an E-mail he sent to his sister. She then sent it to radio station

103.2FM in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, who was sponsoring a worst job experience contest. Needless to say, she won!

Hi Sue Just another note from your bottom-dwelling brother.

Last week I had a bad day at the office. I know you've been feeling down lately at work, so I thought I would share my dilemma with you to make you realize it's not so bad after all.

Before I can tell you what happened to me, I first must bore you with a few technicalities of my job. As you know, my office lies at the bottom of the sea.

I wear a suit to the office. It's a wet suit. This time of the year the water is quite cool. So what we do to keep warm is this: We have a diesel powered industrial water heater.

This $20 000 piece of equipment sucks the water out of the sea. It heats it to a delightful temperature. It then pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose, which is taped to the air hose. Now this sounds like a darn good plan, and I've used it several times with no complaints.

What I do, when I get to the bottom and start working, is take the hose and stuff it down the back of my wetsuit. This floods my whole suit with warm water. It's like working in a Jacuzzi.

Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my butt started to itch.

So, of course, I scratched it. This only made things worse.

Within a few seconds my butt started to burn. I pulled the hose out from my back, but the damage was done. In agony I realized what had happened. The hot water machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped it into my suit. Now, since I don't have any hair on my back, the jellyfish couldn't stick to it. However, the crack of my butt was not as fortunate.

When I scratched what I thought was an itch, I was actually grinding the jellyfish into the crack of my but. I informed the dive supervisor of my dilemma over the communicator. His instructions were unclear due to the fact that he, along with five other divers, were all laughing hysterically.

Needless to say I aborted the dive. I was instructed to make three agonizing in-water decompression stops totaling thirty-five minutes before I could reach the surface to begin my chamber dry decompression.

When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing nothing but my brass helmet.

As I climbed out of the water, the medic, with tears of laughter running down his face, handed me a tube of cream and told me to rub it on my butt as soon as I got in the chamber. The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't poop for two days because my butt was swollen shut.

So the next time you're having a bad day at work, think about how much worse it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved up your butt. Now repeat to yourself, "I love my job, I love my job, I love my job" [snagged by] Yer Hillbilly friend in TN...

I can remember as a small kid being yanked into "Sunday clothes" because we were going to the airport to see Grandma off on a flight to Scotland. Just

*going* to the airport, to meet someone or see them off, was a full dress occasion. Grandma was respendent in full tartan suit, wedge shoes (she had bad feet), gloves, and a really stupid hat (words fail me. Sort of a bandeau with rosettey things above the ears. And with veiling.) Dawne

I was held up because one security person at one airport had never seen a fountain pen, and I hit his line. He was older than I am, so did not have the "they were before my time" excuse. Because "I never saw a pen that looks like that", I had to take it all apart, write something, and put it all together. Even other checkers were looking at him strangely. Dawne

I am sorry Lucretia you are the one twisting deliberately what i say ,,, I think that in the big number of flights that both you and USA have the best method is randomally checks of various possible items that might be used to hide explosive or other dangerous stuff ... For the time being it might be the best that your countries can do . And anyway the number of planes and flights isn`t the issue , the problem is to let people travel as safely as possible. You might be surprised what each country can do when it is needed. The costs Your government has on checking food and Medicines is enormous , but you would no want to have an untested medicine ? would you ??? Or no food inspections on the meat or dairy foods ???? You lack Numbers and information about how many people were saved by Airport precautions , and it is good you don`t know it,,, You are just Blabbering that

And from where exactly do you know about it not being effective. The one problem with Security checks is that you never know when they succeed , only when they Don `t succeed you read about it ... Believe me i would no board a plane if my things weren`t checked ,,, mirjam

Fountain pens are known to have been used several times as explosives or drug Boxes , His asking you to take it apart and write with it , was the RIGHT thing to do ,,,, How do you know those people weren`t checking your Behaviour while doing it??? Why assume they looked at him ? mirjam

Ot there is that totally old-fashioned, out of it idea ("Oh M-o-o-o-m"), either a slip or a lined skirt.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

Many years ago in the 70"s I had a security guard at an airport in the UK squeeze some toothpaste out of my toothpaste tube to make sure it contained toothpaste and not something else. the IRA were busy Bombing cars and trash cans at the time. It was a spot check. Basically I got the lucky number and pulled aside for the random check. Often the other security personal are watching on monitors others in the line noting their responses when someone is pulled aside for a random check. I sometimes think that is how they choose their next victim .LOL! My SIL and husband almost always get put through the random check, they must be suspicious looking characters. LOL! Ruby