Plagiarism

I guess I have see this at craft shows too numerous to be bothered mentioning. Work that is good -- but not great. Which then makes the buyers wonder what they are getting. They then typically do not buy the higher priced goods and haggle over what they do buy.. Seen it for the last several years when I have attended shows as a buyer.

So unless we have attended the same shows in Southern Ontario and seen the same things reciting incidents (so we could compare notes on what the incidents really meant) would be pointless.

Speaking from personal observation though...

Have sold high ticket items before though -- so am used to "reading the buyer".

Hope that makes sense.

But enough on this thread -- we have beaten it to death I think.

I plan on pricing them about $650 - which works out to about $20/hr. once other expenses are taken. As to the market acceptance, I don't know yet. I did consult with a few other turners more experienced with selling than me - but if they don't sell, I'll be more than happy and proud to keep them on my own shelf.

When I was in business in Arizona, the state didn't care whether the buyer paid sales tax or not - only that the seller submitted the proper amount to the state. Most businesses pass the tax along to the customer as an itemized part of the transaction, but that wasn't any state requirement.

Keeping taxes separate, unless the taxing body requires it, is one of those mental games retailers use to appear less expensive than the competition. Instead of rolling the tax into the price, which would amount to the same out of pocket to the consumer, the retailer keeps it separate in order to play with appearances. I don't see woodturners losing customers by rolling taxes in since crafts aren't generally the commodity that manufactured goods are.

I believe you are in competition no matter where you chose to sell your items if you copy, imitate, duplicate, or pattern after the work of another turner. Now, just to be sure I don't bring on the flame posts about our indebtedness, with respect to shapes, to the ancient Greeks or the Chinese artisans of the Ming dynasty, I'm specifically speaking of artistic treatments such as Vesery's feathers or William Hunter's skeletal forms. It is my view that if one imitates the work of another with the intent to profit then it is indeed in competition as well as unethical.

Honestly, I just can not fathom this resistance to respecting another's creative efforts or the tone that, what's put out for all to see is fair game for all to take for whatever amount they can profit from it. I think it's wrong, I think it hurts the creative spirit in those producing the work and I think it hinders the creativity within the very people who feel more at ease using another's ideas rather than coming up with their own.

Way of the world through history I guess.

I put off replying for a few days because I wanted to look this up. Finally got around to Google it but came up pretty empty - I think. Saueracker appears as a last name very frequently but I couldn't find anything to do with shells or turning... Did the meaning of your question zoom right over my head - is the yoke on me?

From Mike Darlow Woodturning methods. IEH Saueracker was an outstanding ornamental turner died 1942 aged 87. (German) It requires the workpiece to be turned on a large number of different, but parrallel axes. "

That went on for way too long. and I dont understand it well enough to explain quickly, I have a pic if your interested (just remove the asterisk), but you would probably see it and say ,"ah those"

I found it looking up eccentric turning 6 months ago and cant find it again.

Mick

It isn't a factor. Most shows I attend have three-four turners. Unfortunately, there's always one slumming because s/he got juried out of another that weekend. They're the ones who complain about the taste of the people attending, the other turners' work, and maybe favor you with a "you can't make ornaments like this for that money" comment. They're also the ones, who, if they sold one of the partially hollowed and freshly waxed (only) pieces of burl they have, would gain as much as I get from three bowls.

I'd rather have three times the fun at the lathe.