ravelry anyone?

As you say, .......you don't know.......... but thnx anyway for pointing out that Noreen didn't actually name Jan, but because she did to me, in a lengthy private email, some time ago, which she knows I have kept, ... I know who she meant, and by wagging a finger and telling Jan, '''YOU are the Spammer''', is actually naming her, but it goes on deeper, and longer back than that I'm afraid.

I came in on the defence of the yahoo group, and Jan who is an owner of the group when readers on here emailed me privately to say... '''oh she's off again''' and/or words to this effect. Jan was not one of them I hasten to add.

It's weird sometimes Donna, never mind, it ought to be WWWWdot, Wonderful Weird Wide Web...lol

higz Cher

this is because it's a closed group...you have to be invited, a link sent to you to join, I'll email you privately again hold on...higz Cher

*********************************************************** **Let's try this: Noreen shouldn't have made the comments in the first place ** ** they were gratuitous and totally unnecessary ** *********************************************************** Had Noreen kept quiet, Jan wouldn't have felt it necessary to defend herself, since she, Cher, and some others are very well aware of the background to this whole discussion.

No, you don't know what the history is, so why you're throwing yourself into it is questionable.

Ravelry is totally irrelevant to what has been discussed here. The heading should have been changed, and eventually was. Google is a great resource if you want to find out about Ravelry.

Shelagh

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I am quite capable of reading your post without the asterisks.

I'm sure Noreen is capable of making her own decisions about what she chooses to post, but what Noreen chooses to post is not the point of my post.

I was pointing out to Cher that Noreen had not used anyone's name as she was accused of doing. She didn't name anyone and if you can point out to me where Noreen did any such a thing then I will be quite prepared to apologise to Cher.

I assume from this comment that you must think that it is quite OK to make a false attribution to someone?

It should be obvious.

I saw a statement which, because I can read, I knew was incorrect. I corrected it.

I don't know if Noreen is a fool so I didn't correct that statement. I don't know if Jan is a spammer so I didn't correct that statement. I do know that Noreen did NOT 'name' Jan and since I can correct that statement, and it is only ethical to do so, I did correct it. Not popular to do it I know, but only fair.

As you pointed out (gratuitously and unnecessarily given that I had already made the statement myself) I don't know "The History" here so I restricted myself to correcting a statement which everyone here who can read, should also have done.

No I meant the webmail page. It was having problems last night...

sue

"FarmI" wrote in news:4733105c$0$23924$ snipped-for-privacy@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net .au:

Noreen is not a fool. she is a bit passionate, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Jan is not a spammer. hope that clears that up ;)

"the History" involves a bunch of sporges. that should tell you enough. headers can, & sometimes do, lie. i'd hazzard that most here really cannot decipher a full header anyway, much less spot a well done forgery. lee

suzee wrote in news:47332e0b$0$47117$ snipped-for-privacy@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:

the internets was having hiccups last night. but, that said, is anyone else having problems with yahoo! mail? like having to wait ages for an email to appear because it won't download the mail until the adserver downloads first & the adserver times out? then if you hit refresh you get a message saying that mail isn't available do to technical issues? lee

Are you talking about Yahoo group messages? I'm able to get them with no problem this morning. In regard to an adserver downloading, I've never seen that. What does it do?

Yahoo mail has problems like that from time to time, but didn't notice it today.

"Jan" wrote in news:Z5HYi.6529$ snipped-for-privacy@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

yahoo email, which is where i have my yahoo groups mail sent. i haven't checked it this morning but it's been an ongoing 'thing' for a while, when i'm reading mail in a folder. i'll read a message, & hit delete to go to the next. at this point, yahoo normally downloads an ad along with your email message, either as a header ad, a footer or somewhere along the sides. there are always ads, that's how they make money. i have an ad blocker so i usually see blank boxes where the ads would be (or with that 'f' button that means a flash ad is being blocked). if you have Firefox & watch the bottom bar while a page is loading you can see that it's going to an adserver before it goes to the mail server. if that adserver is busy or times out, the message never downloads. it just hangs waiting for the adserver. it's definately a bug at yahoo. so, after a couple minutes, i'll hit refresh trying to get past the adserver & i get an error that my email is unavailable. if i then go back to inbox, back to the folder & reopen that email, most of the time i can read it, but it's just annoying. lee

Apparently, you and I have different values. I believe it is always wrong to make false accusations about another person. Not naming the person does NOT make it acceptable! Although she didn't name me, she identified the person as a moderator of the Yahoo group; there very few of us who fit that description. Please don't expect me to ignore lies about me or my friends.

Ah, now I understand. I knew there was a reason I never use Yahoo email :-)

This Used to be a very nice group and we all hope it stays nice ,,,, One way to keep things nice is by ANSWERING IN PUBLIC , about any Statements , insults etc,, made in Public ......Jan is right , once the things were SAID/written for all to read Best way to settle it is by TAKING every thing out into the Public place ,,, mirjam

I've used it for quite a few years, have seldom had problems with it.

sue

You just haven't discovered YPops. I use that and my email checker (Pop Peeper) and never have to deal with that junk.

So it would seem.

I believe it is always wrong

No, you don't believe that at all, you only believe that when it suits you to do so. If you did have such a belief you would have corrected Cher. You didn't so quite clearly your words aren't matched by your actions.

You either believe that it is" always" wrong to make "false accusations" or you believe that it is only "sometimes" wrong to make "false accusations". Obviously in this situation you are applying the "sometimes" value system.

You are really stating that it is unacceptable for Noreen to post "false accusations" against someone. Based on your posting history in this thread, it is evident that you (and others) think it is quite OK for someone to make "false accusations" about Noreen but it is not OK if Noreen is the one who is posting the "false accusations".

My post to Cher is not about you, your comments about Noreen or your view of the acceptability or otherwise of Noreen's actions.

I told Cher that she was incorrect in her assertion that Noreen had named anyone and that I thought to do so was unfair. That comment is a reflection of my value system. I was quite aware when I wrote as I did that to do so would be to put my head above the parapet and that there would be potshots aimed at me by partisan interests. I don't care about that. I care about doing the right thing and in my lexicon, correcting a false statement is right. Given that I posted to correct Cher's incorrect statement while you did not, it would seem that we do indeed have different values.

I'm sure I don't need correcting from you. Furthermore, I won't be corrected by you....I agreed that Noreen didn't actually name Jan, by that she didn't actually say '''''JAN''''' but she did reply to Jan as ''YOU are the spammer'' and that is identifying her...isn't it??

and then Noreen replied with.. '''YOU are the spammer''' so is this not naming her?...if she therefore agrees that this is whom she is talking about.

Anyway it was made public, you are entitled to what you think is correct or not, as we all are, I have said and still say Noreen named Jan, both by emailing me her name and agreeing with Jan's note on saying ''YOU are the spammer'' so as far as I personally am concerned, I'm right in my way of thinking about it all... you can think what ever you like...it won't change my mind, and undoubtedly won't change yours either...

Cher

Personally, I would rather use email services that are free of ads; then I don't have to bother with extras like YPops.