Joy, although your post might have been somewhat indiscreet, you posed question most of us are probably mulling. I, too, have wondered about why Marlys' son would have gone on ahead of his wife, but hope that it was because he was _determined_ to forge ahead to find help. At any rate, I do not think you deserved the excoriating public post from "Angrie.Woman", who used entirely inappropriate language.
Marlys, Please, please accept my apology. I truly did not intend to in any way hurt you. I am a very positive person and although I ask too many questions, I know I would have never, never, ever assumed the demise of your son. (despite someone else making a reference). I myself have spent a month in the dessert with nothing but a pocket knife and I believe in the resilience and survival instance of man. I truly believe in your son. I just ask too many questions because I try to understand the situation. I wouldn't do that if I didn't care. It would be much easier to not care - wouldn't it. I was just trying to understand. Believe me....each day I close my eyes and put myself in your kids' shoes and try to make those choices with them and take that hike...each day. I just try to understand the choices they had to make. I have played it out in my mind and tried to understand it not to be cruel....but because I CARE!! I do tend to treat situations rather lighthearted and optimistic. I don't see why I have to be the "bad guy" for being positive. Because instead of assuming the worst...I will always believe in the best outcome. Because I have been in the most horrible situations and walked out the other side. And I am not an incredible person. (Here is where all the people that apparently hate me can insert there - "too bad remarks." ) I happen to think that her son is going to come out of this just fine and will have a bunch of great stories in the long run. I didn't know I was being "crass" because I wasn't assuming anything "horrible" upon him. Marlys, I don't care what anyone else thinks but I do want you to know that I didn't mean to hurt you. I could have, should have, just sent my best wishes. My most sincere apology. Joy
From Marlys' original post:
What I get from this is that the DDIL originally planned to stay with the vehicle while her husband went for help, then changed her mind and set off after him. He probably had no idea she was trying to follow him.
Kathleen
One stupid, shallow post does not constitute posting another one.
-Irene
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I don't think Joy was out of line. IMO, it's ok to ask for clarification. Her post made sense to me.
penny s
Juno, Thank you for your "vote of confidence", but I have had a number of turmoils in my life, but nothing like this. I try to liken myself to a person who can survive nearly anything. I am a stubborn, bullheaded German and I won't let anyone get me down - I hope. Sometimes I feel like I'm failing in my attempt to "survive", but....... live goes on and so must I since there are other people who, I hope, still need me. I just hope that the good Lord allows me to go on, although there are times I really do wonder if I'm going to make it. God bless all who have prayed and sent thoughts for me and my family. You are truly wonderful people. Marlys in Indiana
Joy Hardie wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
That area is a really isolated desert -- ever heard of Death Valley; it's right in the neighborhood.
"Marlys in Indiana" wrote in news:mc5pe.20405$x96.3303@attbi_s72:
Marlys, for what it may be worth, that area is very thinly populated with people and very highly populated with coyotes, and it really would be very difficult to conduct a search there unless it was by helicopter.
And when you said that stories were not gelling together, the same "foul play" thought crossed my mind, and I think you are right in contacting the authorities to express your concerns.
Of course it was the wrong time to say anything like that but you have to admit some of the circumstances were rather peculiar like: (a) walking off and leaving his wife? (b) refusing help when it was offered in the form of a tow? Maybe with all the sun he had had he wasn't thinking clearly...........apparently she wasn't thinking too clearly either to have drank windshield washer fluid, I guess the thirst must have been horrible! All in all we are all concerned for this family and are praying that all will end well. I guess sometimes we open our mouths and the wrong or inappropriate things gush out before we really think about what we are uttering.
In article , IMS of Road Runner uttered
Did you mean excuse?
Oh I don't know - I'm in Australia and there are LOTS of rugged, unpopulated areas. Faced with such a decision, I may well leave my wife. That way if someone comes along, they could help the wife and she could catch up to me in the car later. If I get help first, I go back to her. Doubling your chances really. Also, my wife being a petite thing, wouldn't last as long walking along a hot road as I would - best place would be sitting still.
They tell you to stay with the car, but who knows if someone (maybe the only one in three or four days) would even stop? You just don't know. Stay put and risk dying of thirst, or leave the car and risk getting lost. Neither is a great choices. One go and one stay is probably the best compromise.
*If* it was actually him they talked to... Maybe people break down there all the time and it was someone else - and they DID get another tow. Maybe the tow truck driver wanted $4000 for a tow and the husband exploded - hey, my WIFE'S OUT THERE and you want to charge me HOW MUCH!?!? Maybe he demanded payment up front and his wallet was back at the car... So he had no choice but to try elsewhere. If he did these things, he'd hardly admit it to the reporter. (And newspapers are as skilled at leaving out the right information as much as they are at putting the wrong bits in.)Indeed. Better than the radiator fluid, tho' - LOL! : )
Allan.
My husband, younger son, and a friend went out into the desert one time, and got stuck. The men were working on getting out, and didn't realize they were becoming dehydrated. They started getting goofy, forgetting what they were doing, and just wandering around. My son, who had been in the shade, realized what was happening, and forced both of them to drink water -- which they had plenty of with them. Basic rule for the desert -- always have lots of water.
Second rule is to have a cell phone. We didn't used to have that option, but now we do. There are some spots with poor or no reception, but at least there's a good chance of being heard.
If he got to the tow company, he's reached "civilization" and has had water, so I'd bet he'll turn up soon. He may not remember what happened and what he's supposed to be doing.
O.K. that makes more sense....because the article referred to that I read said.... "They walked east but Mark Redweik was walking much faster than his wife, she said. She could not keep up and lost sight of him. "I waited there for two and half hours but he never came," Tina Redweik said. "I went back to the truck... " That just didn't make sense to me. Like somebody said....newspapers so often get the facts wrong and you have the source of the informaiton. I don't mind being accused of not being the brightest person on earth....it's true. And my husband and I have been in a similar situation where we ended up about 12 miles in the dessert from our car after a week of backpacking and our food and supplies had run out. A man with a shotgun had been following us because he was upset that they were going to turn the Escalante region into a National Park and he was blaming it on all backpackers in general. So every time his pickup truck would come by we would have to duck into the sage brush. Finally we decided to ditch our packs because my husband was walking faster than me and I couldn't keep up. I made a rock pile by the road so we would know where to come back to pick them up. The average walking pace is 3 miles per hour....so I guess about 4 hours later we got to the car.....guess where the car keys were?! Yes, in the backpack. So, you see, I am a little too used to being upset with my long legged husband for walking too fast and I have a history of taking wrong turns in life. My mis-adventures fill volumes and I am sure you can bet like I said before your son will count this up as one of his great adventures in life also. Don't be so eager to resign yourself to the worst case scenario!
As for Angri-Woman and her other line of posts......does that person post anything sewing related or is that person just a troller? Because to be honest, I think the posts are vulgar, inflamatory....and anything I write in response is absconded.
Well, I am going to stick to sewing related subjects from now on....but Marlys...I will be thinking of you and do stay strong. Don't give up!!!! Joy
I had a friend who was lost in that region for ages. Search and Rescue isn't an easy job. My father is a private pilot and we've flown that area on our way to Moab and Monument Valley etc. and shadows and monotony could make people hard to find. Of course we're not trained S&R people.
You and your family are in my heart. My boyfriend and I talked over the situation last night. I am sure everything that can be done is being done.
hugs,
-Charlotte
My husband told me something interesting that I didn't know. We didn't have cell phones ourselves till this year....and he said that most of the newer models have GPS built into them. So, a person can be located if they dial 911......or, parents can know where their kids are (if they can figure out how to make that part work)( I hate to even sign my name anymore...but I guess all the people that want to are already blocking me anyway. I just thought the information might be useful to know. Most people probalby don't know they are walking around with that GPS ability. Joy
I am glad to receive the info about the GPS on cell phones. My DDs have given their children cell phones recently and I couldn't understand why all at once they were doing this, after many discussions why it was an unnecessary expense. Mine was bought in March, and if GPS is not a feature, I'm going to trade it in for one that does have it. Emily
"Tina Redweik does not own a cell phone because she is not technology savvy, she said."
Now that's sad. My 80yo father has a computer and an e-mail account.
Bet she gets one as soon as she's home!
--Karen M. praying for them and Marlys
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