Julie has done it again!!!

Wow.

sorry- I don't get it - why is she getting so much for these beads????

I don't get that for mine - and mine are just as nice pout.....

Cheryl last semester of lawschool! yipee! DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass

All it takes is two customers who both want something. Sometimes it's all about the item in question. Other times it has little to do with that and more with being the winner.

I admit I'm rather baffled on these. They are very, very nice beads, but...

T>

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:58:24 -0500, Cheryl wrote (in message ):

Nicer, IMO. Those beads don't do a heck of a lot for me, whereas your beautiful fruit buttons are luscious and mouth-watering.

No idea why they're getting such high prices. To my inexperienced eye, they look like sorta-kinda the same technique as Susan's Fauxpals, but not nearly as nice.

When I look at a bead, I try to make a mental picture of what I could do with it, and those just don't "click" with me. As far as I know they're technically perfect and wonderful, but they don't "spark" with me. BTW, "what to do with a bead" definitely includes just having it around to enjoy.

Kathy N-V

Cheryl, That is so funny. I just did a reply and then decided not to post and your question came up next. So I'm going to brave it and ask............

JEWEL SUCHY Lampwork Beads - GLOW Lentil Item number: 2691569082 $228.49

Okay, I don't mean to offend, tick off, demean or anything nasty. But my question is.........why?

She obviously has built up both nice beads and repeat customers. If you look at her feedback, there have been over 1200 positive feedbacks left , but her rating is "only" 400+.

When people know what they're getting, and have worked with an artist for a while, they sometimes are loathe to go with an "unknown".

I think her work is lovely...I don't like raised things on my beads, so hers appeal to me.

As Tinkster said, it only takes 2 people who want the same item...and evidently there are...and more.

Good luck with your beads.

Well, let me finish before i hit enter.

I'll start here: Good luck with your beads. I took a gander at your site, and you do have some nice things there. Now you just need to find the 2 people who want the same ones to start a bidding war on justbeads.

Hey, we live in the same state and that would mean I'd have to pay tax. Drats. mwuahhhhaaaaaaahahhaaa

I adore the colors, but the shape just is kinda weird for me. I bet I would like it much better if I could see all three dimensions of it. Like, if it were in my hand. Right now. As we speak.

Damn. Didn't work, AGAIN. ......sigh.......

See if crossing your arms in front of your chest and giving a cute little nod works. hehe

And, if I can manage to word this without sounding snarky....there is also someone who sells crystal products on JB's who has a seriously high feedback rating and yet is charging exorbitant prices. At least this lampworker on eBay didn't start the auction at a stupid high price. I am however concerned about the buyers on those JB auctions...hellooooo!

Beki

Are you talking about the one who has about 3,000 auctions going? I think I may have bought from her once back in my newbie days.

Is the one you're referring to related to a Christmas spice? If so, some of the problem is that other family members are also making beads -- many of which are not very artistic.

Tina

Okay - you guys have to stop. What if Julie reads this group? Come on now - saying that Julie's customers are dumb for paying a high price for her lampwork is insulting. Even if you are kidding - a lot of people read this group and she could be one of them. Put yourself in her shoes. She has plenty of customers who are obviously collecting her work because they love it. Let's not diminish that, please. There are a lot of reasons why she gets decent prices. I am honestly really tired of people putting down other beadmakers for being successful on ebay. This has happened in two other groups I read just in the last few days - people asking why people are stupid enough to pay a certain amount of money for lampwork that clearly deserves every penny. This type of thing makes me want to scream.

And Cheryl - no one on Justbeads is getting prices like that, because there just aren't as many buyers there as there are on ebay. Your beads have a decidedly different look to them. If you want to know the truth - I think you could benefit from changing your pictures. Honestly, I think that may be a very big reason why your beads don't get the high prices they deserve. I'm not saying that to be mean - I am saying to to try and help, and because you asked. Your beads are wonderful - but your pictures are not.

****sigh**** Why do I always have to be the voice of dissent? Am I wrong in all this? Please tell me and put me out of my misery.

I don't think you're wrong. Everyone's tastes are different. I'm not a big lampwork fan (although your scrolls cause me serious beadlust) so I rarely comment on lampwork unless it really strikes me. I'm not a big crystal fan either.

What appeals to some will not appeal to others.

Linda2

Kandice, forever and ever (ok, maybe not that long, but close) I have wondered about this whole talking-about- others-like-they-weren't-here stuff. In fact, shortly after you posted your tips and tricks for Ebay success on WC! I really wanted to add to that post, but then I got sidetracked and eventually forgot about it.

Of course, until it's brought up again.

This is a big issue that I think is important to address: overall attitude and presence in the industry - aka Professionalism. It DOES affect sales.

I often read things posted here, on WC, and on other boards and web sites that make me wonder, are people really not aware that their on-line behavior can and does affect their business? I mean it has to, how can it not? Even more so when business is conducted on-line. Rants about customers are particularly bothersome, and ridiculing fellow artists just makes me sad.

My intention is not to offend anyone, but every time I read one of those posts I think to myself, OMG! Hint: WC! and rcb ARE public forums! Just because people don't post doesn't mean they're not there... reading, watching, making lists of who's naughty and nice.

I perfectly understand wanting to vent when things go less than OK, believe me! But talking about customers and/or fellow bead makers in a public forum? I think that affects not only the person's image and sales, but also the industry as a whole.

Thanks Kandice, for bringing it up.

Fran

Yes, yes, yes - a million times yes. For instance - on another forum (not here and not WC, but some of you might know which one) they were discussing a set that sold for a lot on ebay, and one person commented asking what idiot would pay such and such for that. Someone else said that no strand of glass beads is worth that amount of money. They were talking about a very well done set made by a very talented artist who does pretty well on ebay, but who isn't by any means famous. The group where this was posted has over 1000 members and is read by quite a few lampwork artists. I was appalled by the disrespect. Just today over at WC there are several threads naming names and talking negatively about artists who may or may not frequent the group. I mean, come on. There are ways to give your opinion without putting down the work of your peers AND putting down the customers who buy that work. It's all about being professional. I'm all about constructive criticism. If I think something is wrong with someone's stuff, and that they would benefit from hearing it, I will say something, and try to say it in such a way as to not hurt that person. But blanket statements such as "what idiot would pay $500 for a strand of glass beads" and then posting a link to an artist's very well done work - that really steams me but good. If you don't like the beads - say so. Several people here were able to express their opinion that they didn't care for the beads posted, but in a tactful, professional way that didn't trash the beadmaker or their customers. Of course, I know not all here are in business and don't really need to worry about how they look to others. I mainly am talking about people who are in business, in this field (beads, jewelry, etc.) and do their marketing in these forums. Oh, please, someone stop me. For heaven's sake, what has gotten into me lately???

And, I seriously hate this bitch. LOL. Have for years. I hate watching people get ripped off. K Becki "In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right." -- Counting Crows

Hi,

I agree with Kandice completely. I wonder why folks get the nasties and then feel compelled to post in Usenet. Besides being rude, it's a bit strange to witness. I wonder what the heck they're thinking. And then again, I get so tired of seeing people bash someone else - it makes life ugly. Admittedly, there are great venues for debate and venting, but slamming someone in a public forum is not the best choice.

I would be hurt and angry to see my work being talked about this way. I'd get over it ~really fast~, but it would still bother me.

I've said this before in this group - it's good when people are able to sell their beads and jewelry for great prices. It's good for everyone who creates art. While you may not benefit today from someone's outstanding selling price, at some point you will.

It would seem that learning from another's success would be more fruitful than denigrating their success. Being a little kinder wouldn't hurt either..

But what the hell do I know ;)

All the best,

Deborah