Awwww, the poor thing.....

Five minutes should be enough time to give her a good slapping.

Pat

But if it was a *commercial* service, as in you are charging people, according to newsgroup charter it belongs on r.c.t.marketplace, not here. Right?

Nah - she needs more than 5 minutes... C

I doubt she could be made to pay attention for more than 5 minutes unless there was a camera involved.

I imagine she would just zone out and yawn--

LOL! Depends how hard we slap her!!! ;-P

Pat

Oh, give me a break! There was no pushing anything. I've frequently announced classes on RCTN through the years, as well as new patterns. In fact, this new class will be on my site, and I'm offering it for no charge to the designer . . . as a service to those who wish to take a class on line. I think this, indeed, needs to be announced several times in case anyone misses it the first time around. So, thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about it one more time.

This attitude is what has caused many a designer to forgo posting here for more friendly sites. It's part of the demise of this group. I realize that Yahoo Groups and others have taken their toll, much to my chagrin. And many ISPs no longer carry newsfeeds, so this, too, has hurt Usenet. But that isn't the only reason this group has devolved. And it has nothing to do with off topic posts, either. I've certainly contributed to those plenty through the years.

Dianne

Through the more than ten years I've been posting to RCTN, there has been a general consensus that designers who contribute to the group as a whole have a wider latitude than those who just post an ad and disappear into the woodwork.

That being said, there is also agreement among a number of us subscribers who feel that those occasional ads about embroidery really

*do* contribute. Just because it doesn't help you doesn't mean it doesn't help someone else. I'm here every day, several times a day, and there aren't enough ads to worry about it, despite some people's shrieking about it.

Of course, if it was an advertisement about aspirin, then yes . . . it belongs in RCTM. But people who are selling their needlework supplies often post here without repercussions. RCTM is pretty much a waste.

Dianne

Dianne Lewandowski ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

Granted, but Dianne you must admit, if nobody signs up it's a tad snarky to come back and castigate the group. I just finished a larger, far more complex piece and have no more room for any hardanger, so deal me out. I can't really see that particular piece teaches very much about hardanger anyway.

And again I have to say, nobody said anything, it seems several looked over her site but did not wish to buy anything from there, nor to do the hardanger course. Out of the blue we have a negative post from her and now you tell us this is why designers leave ? Something whacky somewhere.

That's possibly true, but I don't recall any of them getting angry and nasty when their work has been ignored. I know I generally look at everything mentioned and sometimes I love it, sometimes I hate it and never do I criticize it, and I believe that's true of most of us..

I hope you will agree that nothing was said about the posting of information on the class until she chastised us for not looking and not wanting to pay, etc. and so forth, much of which isn't true. Then she went on to say we were misusing the space by discussing anything other than needlework. I haven't noticed her input on any of the needlework related questions or discussions, but I may have missed it.

If she was disappointed, she should have just swallowed her pride and shut up.

Would she have been happier if she got feedback saying we don't like what she's offering?

As many others do, she could put that information in a signature and not accuse us of deliberately ignoring her and/or boring her.

Lucille

Oh, tell the truth - you know we all go look at each other's finishes.....

WRT Hardanger - I actually like doing cut work and openwork, but I don't like a lot of traditional hardanger. I do like, and have plenty of the Emie Bishop pieces, and some Lessa Steele pieces. But, one real class in hardanger was enough for me. Last year I took a class in filling stitches, and definitely at this point it would take something really special to catch my attention.

Ellice - another complained about

Give yourself a break. I didn't say that it was pushed further. And it seems to me that when people announce new designs, that's taken with positive response. Except for the unfortunate incident last month, IIRC, when the person posted a design was up and there seemed to be someone thinking it was spam that jumped upon her .

What attitude - saying her e-mail about the class was perfectly reasonable? Or your choosing to snipe that I've implied it was being pushed, which I certainly did not? I was postulating that if the class continued to be pushed as in seeking students, that could be construed as advertising. After all, it is a class for which students are expected to pay. So, I'm not sure what your definition of advertising is, but I've always thought that when you're suggesting, providing notice to people that they purchase goods and/or services from a supplier that would indeed fall into the category of advertising. Not that Sybille's announcement of a class was more than a notice. And certainly a reasonable advertisemnet for this group.

ellice

Agreed.

hallo hallo ,,, one of the wonderful things about being overschool age is that one chooses one` s own study fields ,,,, mirjam

by the way could you email me your private email mirjam

Hello All,

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:43:53 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski wrote: Big Snip

I'm another one who likes designers, who are part of the group, to let us know what they've done recently designwise. To me that's very similar to one of us Happy Dancing when we finish stitching something.

Bye for now.

Rosemary in Melbourne, Australia (where we haven't had the big storms)

I wouldn't have that problem either, but I haven't been here *that* long, and to me the "looks like a duck" think applied to someone who had to complain that nobody signed up for a class that was advertised on the newsgroup. *shrug*

Regardless of everything else, it is NOT necessary to post mean, nasty **personal** remarks about someone else! I don't remember your original post about your Hardanger class so I can't comment on that. I can and WILL comment when I see someone being a verbal bully by saying demeaning things about one of the members of this group. It's just NOT necessary. Now, how do you think this makes people feel about you as a designer and teacher???

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