OT: Modest Clothing

The good people belonginig to the Mormon religion have outruled polygamy a long time ago. Every now and then I teach the women around here how to grow food and such. They are lovely people, still share community by buying in bulk together, etc. They don't dress up in uniform with hair dippity do's.

OOo you women are wicked! :)

Sheena said it; what 14 year old boy wouldn't want to be...well, see the movie "Notes on a Scandal."

See it as you wish. She specified 'Muslim' girls, in other posts went on to mention other girls. I say it is ALL young girls and it is not just Muslim girls and really religion was unnecessarily dragged into it.

I will take issue with the snipe at Israel ? Where do you arrive at that or are you just being defensive ?

In the same way they buy puppies at pet shops and yard sales that came from Amish puppy farms ?

I read it as a characterization as in typically the girls wearing the headcoverings of that sort are the Muslim girls. But, of course to be more polite it would be better to say something about finding it puzzling to see girls wearing headcoverings to meet a religious or cultural stricture yet wearing revealing clothing.

Ah, the way I read your comment about Israeli girls - same as you read Mirjam's about Muslim girls.

Ellice

I don't believe politeness, or otherwise, entered into it. Why is it surprising to see them, amongst all the other girls their age, wearing what all these girls want to wear ? Why pick on them specifically ? Why not just use the term 'girls' - but I think you know why, just as well as me.

OK read it the way you wish and I shall read her post about 'Muslim girls' the way I wish, a jab at another faith, a chance to point at them and ridicult them when all the while they are being typical girls, because we all know Israeli girls would never wear scandalous clothing like that !

By describing a Phenomena or a trend, one looks at that trend , i was not singling those girls out , i was describing some Unique Interesting trend. Because the Subject line was Modest Clothing ,and the first writer suggested that persons looking for Modest clothing could buy them from the mormons. I just added my Observations from Other groups, that try to dress their women in `Modest` clothing . In fact i am facinated with the ways those young women, BALANCE between the Demands of the interpretations of their tradions , and the availability of Buying contemporary clothes, and trying to look a bit more `modern. mirjam

Lucreatia !!!!! To use your own words this is a Comment/case of the kettle calling the pot black !!!! mirjam

Thank you Ellice , As you well noticed and noted , i was only relaying my observations. As a Fiberartist, i am very interested in how people dress, and it is only natural than to also be interested in the Why ?.. In all my years as an adult in Israel, i dress as i feel, but also take precuation not to offend others, What ever rules they have. I ALWAYS have a Cover Up in my bag !!!, even though i am not at all so bare... I have also noted that ALL religious places , whether Jewish , Muslim , Christian , Bahaai, Druz, etc,,, Have become stricter in their Demands from the VISITING TOURISTS,,, In former yearts nobody would ask a tourist, who came barefoot or such to cover anything . Now adays, WHEREVER you come , in all Religious places of ALL Beliefs , One gets some cloths , and is asked to cover bare upper arms , bare legs, etc,,,, [Even some males are asked to cover up , if their shorts are too short]. For anybody interested in Textiles and Socio/historical developments this is a Living SHOW , of seeing how it all developes.

When i lectured in Ara`ara , the students, had ceratin dress codes, which interested me , But even before starting my lectures i went to An Authority of their Culture, and asked, what was permitted or not permitted, to SPEAK about, Which Pictures i could show , without offending any tradional laws. Same lecture was also taught in Nazereth, Where students were dressed differently again, and where i was not restricted in showing any pictures or discussing any Art Subject.

In my more advanced class, i had a wonderful MULTY cultured group of students. The Students all studied in a College outside their original towns . I think i have told this story here before. One day one of My Druze students complained to me , that her other art teacher, gave her some assingment about the "Last Supper ", and when she mentioned not having a clue about it, all the Christian students [ of all churches] Laughed aloud . Thus i made a Rule:Every student who had a Holiday in the last [since our last lesson], must come to class and TELL US about that Holiday , + bring some of it`s special foods. I took off /12 hour of the main lesson , For all of us to know each other`s cultures.

Had i written `Some girls Belonging to Some Cultre` wear headscarves but bare their belly buttons , would look more like nonesense or slander. Some people here will react to any comment i do with some negative reaction.

I tottaly agree with you Ellice that looking at the Happenings around the Mixing of cultures and religions and The frictions Or solutions people find to Live with it , IS FACINATING ,, I live where much of it happens DAILY , i see the persons while they do it ,, And i have some of this people visiting in my house !!! I than have to know how to recieve them in a respectful manner . Seeing how they dress is sometimes a Key how to respect them and not unknowingly insult anybody. mirjam

Oh dear me! at least wait until they are 18 and legal....

Cheryl (giggling, but won't send my son your way)

spew

The way I'm figuring it, the younger ones could start out with chores and helping out around the house for a year or two...so by the time they're old enough, I've got them fairly well housebroken.

The one fault in this whole plan is that I'd need the patience to deal with surly teenage guys...and even though it hasn't been too long since I was a surly teen myself, I just don't think I have the endurance anymore!

Besides, I prefer older men. Always have... Becky A.

Honestly, I don't think it's a bigotry issue, as it was that typically we all assume - perhaps incorrectly - that women in headcoverings, particularly tight, no hair, no neck showing, and combined with skin covering long sleeves/skirts/pants are Muslim. So, it's not unusual for someone to say "the Muslim girls in the...." . Personally, I think it's a carelessness of all of us. And points to what evidently Mirjam, amongst others, would see as a curiousity of contradiction. I'm not reading more or less with respect to other dialogues.

Ah - so again - why not for yourself just say "other girls" or young girls/women in general? Pot - kettle - etc. I don't think anyone who's been to Israel or has Israeli (Jewish or non-Jewish) friends would thing the women wear anything other than very revealing clothing on the beaches, etc - except for the Orthodox of any of the religions.

'nuff.

Ellice

There should be an emoticon for sarcasm, then you might have read my post correctly.

"Becky A" wrote (snip)

I do like grownup men. I just can't imagine "did you finish your maths homework" as pillow talk.

Dawne

With a 'man' as young as fourteen, I doubt the subject of homework would be coming up that often - rare :)

"lucretia borgia" wrote

Ah, come one Sheena---you know I'm conscientious about that sort of thing. Dawne

I wouldn't like you if you were THAT conscientious lol

Me, too. When we were in school, used to drive the boyfriends nuts, "have you done your English homework yet?", and they knew I didn't mean "can I borrow your answers?"