OT - all of it irrelevant including the Census

Last night was Census night in Australia, so we have all been herded, counted and categorised. As I used to work for the Bureau of Stats I dutifully did my bit. But I was disappointed that they no longer have space for some of the lifestyle questions that really used to be interesting (like do you have pets?).

This year we were all asked to give a release for our name/address information to be made available in 99 years time - presumably so that people obsessed with tracing their family tree can stop bugging local ministers and cemetery trusts to search old records for information. Like it will help LOL

For the first time we could fill in our census info on-line. Did anyone on here use that option? Just wondered how it went.

Trivia for you Aussies - there is an Agricultural Census every year on 01 April (is there something significant about the date?). Now that really used to bring in some funny responses.

After three Spring-like days of sun it is cold and raining today. Gotta love that rain!!

I didn't get enough sleep last night and I seem to be rambling. I think I will go take a cat-nap with Boof and Donut (who have not bothered to even get up yet). Goodnight all!

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Cats
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I was wondering what would happen if I put my occupation as "Time Lord". Would my nationality be Galifreyan or would that be my ancestry

- and could I legitimatley use "The Tardis" as my address? Would Tardis be the name of my dwelling perhaps? I know the Tardis always appears in some seedy back corner of London when it appears on Earth...

Nope, not going to waste my poota on that. Never know who might be looking!

Cheers,Fay

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Fey

I'm not in Australia but boy would I love to visit! That would be a dream vacation IMHO! I am a parrot lover and have 4; three of which are cockaoos. And Australia has the most amazing assortmant of cockatoos!!

-Irene

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IMS

LOL - never thought about it from that angle/dimension.

My census collector even said they (ABS) discourage putting forms in an envelope now. So much for respecting privacy. No wonder the paranoid among us hate the census. I guess even if you did use an envelope the collector would just open it as soon as they got home. They are welcome to read my form. If they are so desperate for a bit of entertainment that they want to read my boring details I feel sorry for them ROFL

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Cats

Yes I did ours

This question was asked last time too. Two of my 'trees are on line already. I do know that the Plew one has major flaws. Locket is true to the best of my knowledge. Denney is one I would love more info on but Tasmanian records are a bit harder to find after 1900. Shepherdson and Renfrey were both partly done by my sister before she died.

No. thought it was easier on paper and Dh was on the 'puter

Never heard of this before

Not a lot of rain, but lots of wind and DH is helping friends load shipping containers as they are moving back to NZ

Have a good cat-nap

Dee in Oz

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Dee in Oz

I'm interested that you can do it online. As a US citizen living abroad, I am not yet included in the U.S. census. (Yet I still vote and pay taxes.) Nobody really knows how many of us are out here, and various organizations for overseas Americans are fighting to have us included. Wonder if our government is even considering an online option. Roberta in D

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Roberta Zollner

I think the reasoning for not counting US citizens living abroad is that people are probably counted where they actually live. For example, we (try to) count resident aliens and even illegal immigrants in the US census, though they're not citizens; the census is -- I think -- supposed to determine how many people are living in a given place, rather than how many citizens a particular country has. Those numbers are supposedly used to determine how much money, how many resources, are distributed to which areas of the country.

Another complication would be people with dual citizenship. My DT, for example, has dual French/US citizenship. Does she become two people for the purposes of the census in the two countries?

I'm not intending to stir up any cans of worms here or to pick an argument, so I hope you won't take it that way. I'm just trying to understand how it would all work. :)

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Sandy Foster

I am not sure about now, but certainly when I was working in the Aust'n Bureau of Stats (ABS) we included Aussies overseas. I remember the hassle of getting all the forms from Australia House in London.

I am curious about what other countries collect in their Census, and how often they are held.

If anyone is interested following is (paraphrased somewhat) what we were asked this year at a normal residential dwelling. Different forms and questions for other types of dwellings would apply, and obviously some questions are not relevant depending on your answers to others. There's nothing very confidential about the info these days. All the data is published, and this year unless you insisted you didn't even get an envelope to put the form in (presumably to save the labour cost of opening them).

The form has space for six people's details and you can get another form if there are more in the household or someone wants their details private from others in the dwelling. Although the booklet was 18 pages long it took me way less than 10 minutes to fill in (granted I have no family). Most of it is "mark the relevant dot" for scanning.

name gender DoB relationship to person filling in form (for families, etc) marital status Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander? where do you usually live? where did you live one year ago? where did you live five years ago? Australian citizen? (I would assume yes for dual citizens) where born? when did you arrive in Aust? father born in Aust? mother born in Aust? other language than English at home? how well do you speak English? what is your ancestry? religion (optional question) do you need help for self care? do you need help for body movement? do you need help for communication? what are the reasons for needing help? do you attend school or other education? what type of school/etc?

only for 15yo and over- highest year of school completed? any completed educational qualifications? main field of study? completed before 1988?

for females - how many children have you given birth to?

total income from all sources (select from 12 ranges) did you have a job last week? employed or employer? was business incorporated or unincorporated? do you employ people? occupation main tasks in job employer's business name workplace industry or business of employer (from a list) what are main goods procuded or services of employer? how many hours did you work last week? how did you get to work today? did you look for work in last four weeks? if you had found a job could you have started last week? did you spend time doing unpaid domestic work for their household? (political speak for "home duties") did you provide unpaid care/help/assistance to family/other? did you look after child without pay? did you perform volunteer work through group in last 12 months?

was anyone who usually live here absent on census night? (some details of those absent required) how many registered motor vehicles of residents were at dwelling on census night? how many bedrooms in dwelling? is dwelling owned, rented, mortgaged, etc? if rented who from (agent, Govt, family, etc)? how much is paid for dwelling per week/fortnight/month? can internet be accessed?

do you agree to name address and other info being kept by National Archives and made publicly available after 99 years? (optional to answer, but only done if specifically answered yes, blank assumed to be NO)

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Cats

In the US our census is held every 10 years -- the next one will be in 2010. The information remains private for 72 years. (Yes, it really p*sees my FIL off that I found him in the 1930 census. *grin*)

The information asked varies from year to year. For the last couple of censuses (censi?), our census bureau has experimented with randomly giving some people longer forms to fill out. We return ours by mail, and then census takers visit households who did not return one. In some communities, the census takers also do some advance work, trying to explain why the census is important. My neighborhood in 2000 was one of those places -- one evening I saw the census worker walking the neighborhood and chatted with her a bit. My dog was next to me and she exclaimed "Oh, I remember him! He hides in his doghouse any time he sees someone coming." Yup, that was my great guard dog. LOL

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Kathy Applebaum

Guess which Aussie forgot to do their census on the correct night? Yup me. Oh well, it's done now but no envelope to hand it back in and I'm not just leaving it on the porch.

Poor agricultural people - once a year. Here in the Education Dept we have a school census twice a year. To make sure we are really teaching the kids we say we are and not just counting empty chairs. Not to mention a Staff census (once a year), Computer Census (once per year), ESL census, Religion census, and various others - all once a year.

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Sharon Harper

I loved this one as i was supposed to give the address/ name of the building where I worked.

Well there wasn't enough room to say that I stand on the footpath and walk out in front of cars that are usually speeding 'cos they don't know what a 40 kph speed limit is.

( sorry rant off)

Dee in Oz

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Dee in Oz

Here in Canada Census day was May 16. Every 6th household has to complete a long form. We were lucky and got the short form, which we completed online.

Questions on the short form: Names of Persons living here on May 16 Sex date of birth marital status Relationship to Person 1 Language first learned at home in childhood Then the consent to have 2006 census info available for public release in

2098

Of course DH is a farmer and the agricultural form is quite involved and specific on what you grow, number & kind of animals, acres of crops, farming injuries, land owned, fertilzer use, how much manure you used, how many and how big is your farm equipment, $$ of income and expenses. Completed online too.

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Ann

So he was called Ferocious? Hopefully he didn't piddle on her like Georgia might have done. Taria

Kathy Applebaum wrote: My dog was next to me and she exclaimed "Oh, I remember him! He

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Taria

Hi girls, I completed the Census form on-line - it was simple to follow and very user-friendly. You could stop anytime, file it, and go back to it. I did mine earlier in the day and I was curious to see when DH accessed it in the early evening whether the site would be jammed or overloaded. No, just as easy. Much safer than leaving forms outside for collectors. Disappointed there were no Q. on pet-ownership - glaringly absent I'd say LOL. Nothing on hobbies or lifestyle issues. Or fitness activities. Or chocolate preferences. Ho hum.

Cheers Bronnie

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Bronnie

I suspect they are mor einterested in IR, employment, tax and health care issues than whether we are happy well-rounded personalities LOL

But then again - you have to consider who is asking the questions.

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Cats

One major purpose of the Census is to determine Congressional districts. If US citizens were taxed according to where they earned their income, instead of according to their citizenship, I would have no problem. But our government apparently would like to receive our taxes while denying us any representation. Shades of 1776! Remember the Boston Teaparty's slogan, "No taxation without representation!" As non-military citizens living abroad, we are guaranteed the right to vote in Federal elections. (And we've only had that right for a couple of decades, after years of struggle.) But we are not guaranteed the right to a Congressional representative, thus no say in how the government spends our taxes. (To be fair, some states allow their absentee voters living abroad to vote the entire ballot, but not all of them do.) And BTW, I hope you all plan to vote in November -the entire House and quite a few Senators are up for election! Don't ever take your rights for granted. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty! Roberta in D

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Roberta Zollner

Thanks for the clarification, Roberta. :) As I said, I wasn't trying to be argumentative, so I'm glad you didn't take it that way. I agree -- you should be allowed to vote on how your taxes are spent. My DT, who has lived abroad for decades now and who has dual citizenship, doesn't pay US taxes, but she is allowed to vote. I know she votes in presidential elections, but I'm not sure of any others. I do have a little problem with her voting, though, since she does *not* pay any taxes and has no plans ever to live here again, but she's still a citizen and entitled to her voice. :)

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Sandy Foster

In Australia this is not optional. Voting is compulsory. You can put a blank ballot in the box if you want to, but you have to submit a vote.

I must admit I find the US system of electing representatives "amazing". Please understand - I am NOT being critical in any way, I am just bemused.

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Cats

How so? I'm pretty completely ignorant of the workings of other governments -- how's it work where you live?

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blackrosequilts

"Bronnie" wrote

I did the paper version, just because it was there. I won't be leaving it outside though. In fact, I'm sure we're specifically told not to, either in the info that comes with it or by Ernie in the TV ads. The collector will be back to get it.

I was a census collector in '96. Believe me, the last thing you want to do is actually take notice of all that boring information! You just fill in the paperwork and gladly hand it all over.

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Leigh Harris

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