HOWEDY liea,
>
> > Michael Plumridge wrote:
> > >
> > > When Mollie and I play, sometimes she gets
> > > a little bit too rough and nips me hard enough
> > > to make me wince.
>
> > > Does your dog do anything like this?
> >
> > No. None of my dogs has been nippers.
>
> Right. Your dog flat HOWET attacks your only
> friend and any child nearbye.
>
> > The closest Cubbe gets is when she gets the zoomies.
>
> Or when she's attacking your only friend or any
> child nearbye.
>
> > She might come close to an ankle.
>
> That so, liea?
>
> > --Lia
>
> You're a liar, a dog abuser, and a MENTAL CASE.
>
> Here's your dog Cubbe attackin your only friend and
> trying to attack a couple kids:
>
> "It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
> Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
> Give Cubbe A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap Cubbe Got
> Out In The Neighborhood Leashless From:
>
> Julia F N Altshuler ( snipped-for-privacy@dc.seflin.org)
> Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
> Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST
>
> Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the first time
> in roughly 2 years. The first few times were when we first got
> her before she'd had any training and before we got the
> electric fence to reinforce the physical one.
>
> It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored clickers
> and treats and calls. Make that, it was horrible for us. She
> had a blast running free and chasing whatever she wanted. For
> us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we tried to catch her.
> Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday morning. It
> had snowed, and the streets weren't quite clear yet. Jim
> finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her head down
> a hole.
>
> For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
> neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash. She gets
> daily indoor clicker training sessions. She has perfect
> recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats for those
> recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free in the backyard.
> Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been working on
> them. I haven't been as good about introducing the variable
> reinforcement there, but I have been good about making sure
> that she's never tricked into coming into the house when she'd
> rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat or
> praise and let her go again.
>
> So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't think I'm
> a terrible one. I say that because I'm about to ask y'all for
> some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I don't mind
> criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you'll concentrate on
> what I should do now.
>
> Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time. I'd
> gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when she
> escaped straight through the front door and right in front of
> our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
> battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the
> wire, and the chase ensued.
>
> We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.
>
> Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar
> now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to
> come in when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I
> could tell that she fully expected to be let out the front
> door again so she could have another fun romp in the
> neighborhood. I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
> escapade that I keep checking for her every time I open the
> door.
>
> Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
> about coming when called even from the backyard.
>
> My specific questions:
>
> How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
> when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?
>
> She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
> backyard because the wire goes around the house and could zap
> her when she's near certain windows inside. If I let her get
> zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can I still take
> the zap collar off and walk her out the front door with her
> leash on? I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.
>
> What's the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it should
> happen again?
>
> Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this
> I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because
> she so obviously freaked when we used leash corrections and
> scoldings when we first got her.
>
> I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
> whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
> won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
> dogs.
>
> Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
> beginning, but we've come a long way since then. She trusts
> us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
> rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
> the mildest way, for not coming.
>
> Is it time for that?
>
> What might I look for to tell?
>
> Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3
> daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and were
> having a blast clicker training her. I was impressed with how
> quickly they caught on and how little correction they needed
> to be consistent with the clicks and treats. Cubbe was fine
> with the children; she always has been. Just as they were
> getting ready to go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.
> Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined because she gave
> a snarl-snap.
>
> I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
> turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her
> know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't frightened
> at all, and her parents who were also right there hadn't
> realized what had happened. I then asked the snarlee to rub
> Cubbe's belly further to reinforce that Cubbe is the
> submissive one in that relationship. I let Cubbe up and all
> was fine.
>
> I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part of
> wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.
> Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
> was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing
> with Cubbe the escapee?
>
> --Lia
>
>
>
> > I need help deciding if I have a real problem with Cubbe
> > that needs immediate attention or if I'm imagining trouble
> > where there is none.
>
> > Here's what happened last April the way I described it to
> > a friend at the time:
>
> > I'm worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I'm kicking myself for
> > doing something stupid. Ellie has been over many times and
> > has always gotten along great with Cubbe. Cubbe is always
> > at the door when I let Ellie in.
>
> > She's barky-protective but then stops barking once Ellie is
> > inside. She's never shown any real aggression. The other
> > night Ellie and I went out together to run an errand.
>
> > Ellie was coming in the house with packages so I came in
> > first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with Jim so Ellie could
> > get through the door more easily. I could hear Cubbe
> > barking. Once Ellie was inside, I opened the bedroom door
> > for Cubbe. She ran out to attack the intruder. Ellie was
> > trying to be friendly.
>
> > Ellie put a tooth in Ellie's finger. Granted the resulting
> > scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed when
> > they get dry and I don't rub lotion into them every night,
> > but Ellie was understandably scared.
>
> > Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away. I got
> > Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary thing is that,
> > even though the damage is minor, it does qualify as a bite
> > since Cubbe did mean to do it. I guess I should just learn
> > from it and never let Cubbe greet someone like that again,
> > but I'm horribly torn up.
>
> > I've said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now
> > the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even
> > with kids when we meet them in the neighborhood.
> > Since then I've been careful not to do anything like that.
> > Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the night in the
> > computer room with Jim while I answered the door. She did
> > bark each time she heard the doorbell ring. We did nothing
> > to discourage that. We want her to be barky protective so
> > it made sense for her to bark when she heard people in the
> > neighborhood, especially at night. Later in the evening,
> > Jim put Cubbe on a leash and was hanging out with her in the
> > front hall while I still got the door. One of the first
> > people to come to the door once she was out of the computer
> > room was our neighbor Nicky.
>
> > I think Nicky is 11 now. He's known Cubbe since we got her
> > 4 years ago, has always liked her, petted her and asked to
> > come on walks. Nick lifted his mask on the porch so I'd
> > know who it was. Then I invited him into the hall to pet
> > Cubbe.
>
> > Cubbe snarled and sort of air snapped at him. Of course
> > Jim was right there so no damage was done. Nick didn't
> > even have to draw his hand away, and he didn't get scared.
> > Nothing scares that boy.
>
> > I don't like this. Twice now Cubbe has been overly
> > protective-aggressive when people have entered the house.
> > Both times they've been people she knows and should like.
> > She's wonderfully nice to people on walks. We don't have
> > guests over too often so I can't comment if it's a growing
> > thing or not.
>
> > Comments please. Is this a major growing aggression
> > problem?
>
> > I'd guess it's territoriality about the house and yard.
> > What do I do about it?
>
> > I usually put Cubbe on a leash when friends come over
> > and then walk her outside while the friend gets out of
> > her car, and then we walk in together.
>
> > She'll still bark when they're in the house and then
> > calm down. Is that a good idea? Should I be
> > doing something more to make sure this doesn't escalate?
> > --Lia
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