Aha Cher i think that was part of the `secret` why i so easily adpted the cast on on the other side , since i became fond of NO SEAM knitting i have worked out all kinds of solutions [on my own] to get my knits done seamless , hence i taught myself , cast /pick up stitcches in all kinds of edges sides etc,,,, As well as when i saw Entrelacs in books THEY ALWAYS show it with DP i immidiately saw that working the whole thing on circs was the rifh way for ME ,,, mirjam