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Gill Murray wrote: He has lost 30 lbs, not by intentional weight loss, but by going on this

Gillian, have you talked to a Diabetic Educator/ Nutritionist?? (Yes, it is an official specialty) When dh suddenly developed diabetes about six years ago, we went to one and he was very good, he also emphasised that balance is everything, NO FAD DIETS ALLOWED. DH's doctor doesn't even touch nutrition, knows it is not his field, and sends everyone off to the Educator.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans

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However, all was sailing along just fine until he was put on Byetta in December, and developed pancreatitis in January. Any connection? Probably not.

It was the shut down of some of the pancreas which brought about the diet change, and insulin (30/70 Novalog). His three month tests in April had pretty normal results for everything, except that was one of the rare days he had a high fasting glucose.

I am using common sense along with the diet, and he is doing pretty well. Enough to be gone all summer, trusted to adjust his insulin himself, and has an appt with the Internist Oct 30.

My suspicion is that since his Dr doesn't know me personally, he figures Jim is a beer and pizza guy!! Little does he know that I don't allow him junk food, McDs etc.

I have been following the alt.support.diabetes group since Jan, and have kearned one important thing. Everyone reacts differently to various carbs, so let the meter be your friend!

Thanks for the post, though. It is a weird disease, to say the least!

Gillian

Actually, I have heard similar statements, but only about pushing residents through areas that clearly aren't a good fit - like the future plastic surgeon through his/her ob/gyn rotation. The woman that delivered DD came by to check on me and we got talking. Since I was the first "older" mom she had seen and "clearly had my act together", she wanted to talk to someone that had delayed motherhood. She wanted to pursue cardiac surgery and her husband wanted kids "soon" and for her to just "get done".

I've known many pre-med and pre-law students (and the doctors and lawyers they became). The pre-meds definitely have the more difficult course work and a smaller percentage actually makes it to medical school. For example, of the 4 women I graduated with that were pre-med, only 1 made her first choice school, the 2 made their second choice school and the last got wait listed. All had GPAs of 3.8 or better. (We were all in physi-chem togther). Of the 45 declared pre-law students, average GPA of 3.0, 42 got in to a first or second choice law school. All for pre-meds eventually got their MD's, only 20 got their JD's.

Cheryl

Don't forget the warm beer with that.

Cheryl

Do they still make the Hamburger Helper Stroganoff? We used love that one. I wonder if they work with turkey burger?

Cheryl

Be still my beating heart! one of my favorites.

Cheryl

I'll get breakfast out, dinner time is DD's first skate with a summer program she's doing.

And I love custard pie too!

Cheryl

I never tried that one, mostly because when dh was first diagnosed the various diabetes websites I tried seemed pretty useless. On the other hand, his endocrinologist is head of the diabetes dept. at our local hospital, and they have two types of support. One is a regular support group (which the DE/N told me not to bother with as it would be too simplistic for me) and a monthly seminar with various experts. As dh was still working, I went to that one faithfully for about a year and a half, until I had heard all of the lectures and they all started being repeated.

One thing I found the most useful was "Recipe Calc", a program which will analyse any recipe you input, and gives you a box with the nutrition stats just like the ones on grocery store items. It helped me to redo lots of his favorite recipes (good job I took all those nutrition courses in college) so that he can still have them without harm or fear.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

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I would be rather close to square-shaped if I was since I'm under five ft. tall! Truthfully, I don't eat much pizza anymore and the cold pizza (and chocolate donuts) were far more common breakfast fare back in college when I was only 107 pounds. And I thought I was fat then!

Yes they do! I'm pretty sure we have some in the pantry now.

lists the available flavors although not all stores carry the full line. Technically they will work with turkey burger, ground venison, ground pork, or pretty much any other meat you can think of. Even veggie-burger could be used if you tend that way. The flavor will vary slightly though. You might need to add some seasoning to make it more robust if you are using a lower-fat (less flavorful) meat or veggie-burger.

How does what you say above relate to saying that, " When you go to medical school, they will bend over backward to make sure?"

The absurdity of that statement is rather flagrant. I'd choose American trained physicians over anyone else in the world for conventional practices.

When residents make the rounds at the hospital, they are placed in every position. Then their specialty is something which they have to go to more school to get. that even the most incompetent graduate.

Yes, they do have it. Mark likes it. I don't use beef or turkey, but they sell vegetable protein crumbles which tastes a lot like chopped meat with none of the fat, or cholesterol, or death to animals.

I thought it was absurd too, so I looked up medical school graduation rates. The ones I could find (97%) would seem to support Karen's statement rather than refute it.

The only argument I would make is the one that Cheryl has already made: medical schools may have such high graduation rates because they are so picky about who they admit in the first place.

Elizabeth

How the subject came up with my friends who went to medical school was that they were amazed that the law school didn't supply me with a free tutor when I didn't do well on certain midterms. I could only have tutoring if I paid for it myself, but they were charging way more per hour for the tutoring than I was earning as a file clerk, so that was that.

My friends knew of fellow med school students who were struggling even worse than I was (as in, they were in danger of failing EVERY class), who had FREE tutoring, as many hours a week as they needed. They were amazed (or horrified) at how hard the school was working to keep these incompetents in school. And amazed (or horrified) that the law school wasn't trying equally hard to make sure that someone as talented as me succeeded. (As was the professor who gave me the 2d highest grade in his class.)

If you can get *in* to medical school, you are assured that you will graduate unless you make the choice to drop out. If you can get in to law school, you're still in danger of not graduating, because they do their best to cause a lot of the class to flunk out.

That was our favorite flavor back when I did lots to 10+ hours days. I could start it, go get changed and it would be nearly ready when we were.

I freely admit to liking meat and have no plans to cut back on meat any further than I have. But I will try veggie burger some day. It does make an ok chili/taco filling.

Cheryl

Yes, very painful. I couldn't believe the pain I experienced the first few days. I did manage to hobble in to work on the 5th day of having it, and was given a chair. (I'm usually on my feet for my work shifts) I did that for two days, but had to take the next day off. I knew if I tried to work a full 8 hr. shift on it, I would end up off work for at least a week. Luckily I am now on holidays for 10 days, so hope to get it pretty much healed up.

From what I understand it is often a recurring condition for middle-aged woman who work on their feet, so now have to find better shoes to wear, etc. Unfortunately, I already have issues with my feet and had shoes that were very comfy for me to work in. Now I have to find not only comfy, but good support to avoid having this problem again.

...Linda

A favourite breakfast when I was a WRAF was chinese takeaway (chow mein or chop suey ) that had been left to stay warm over night on a radiatior or 'everything' pizza - it saved dashing to dress and get to the mess before the 'rock apes' devastated the breakfast bar - I think part of their training was 'how high can you pile your plate' !!! Jan

I can vouch for that, Jan - my DH was a Rockape!

Pat P

Just told John about this post - he`s still chuckling. He said they used to call them "Gannets".

Pat P