Firehouse Angel Framing Status

Hi Guys, I got my first estimate for framing of the piece this morning -- went with one of my needlework friends so that I had more input :-). This is an independent framer so there's no coupon, etc. available but she quoted a discount anyway. I have photos of the piece with the corner mats and frame but I can't get the *$&%^%%$ scanner program to save the stuff I scanned! Once I get the machinery working properly I'll scan the photos and set up a special Firehouse Angel album at Webshots. DIANNE -- If you want me to send the photos to you for inclusion in the website I can do that too. It's up to you so e-mail me, OK? Anyway -- a description. The area of the needlework that will be shown is 13" wide x 17" long -- this allows about 1" beyond that actual stitching. The finished size will be 24.5" x 28.5". There is a very pale yellow inner mat -- 1/4" showing (to highlight the wing tips), next is a narrow gold (coordinates with the frame) fillet that is very simple

-- no curlicues, etc. The second mat is a 3" pale rosy cocoa textured suede (the photo sort of washes it out) that complements the face of the Angel nicely. Last is the frame itself. It's one of those that has a reddish base with heavy gold overlay -- not at all shiny. It has some scrollwork curvy stuff that reflects the curves of the wings but is NOT all "squirrley" and gorpy. Of course, I had the woman quote conservation glass on the piece and ALL materials will be conservation quality. Oh -- add in spacers too -- want to make sure the beadwork doesn't come anywhere near the glass and the cost is minimal. The frame is about 2" wide and I KNOW that sounds too small for the piece but it's not. It is one of those frames that curves up a lot (the profile measurement is probably 2" also) so it has a lot of "oomph" to it. If anyone wants to take a look at it, it's Larson Juhl #559WG. We tried other, larger frames but all you saw was the frame. None of us like any of the larger frames -- odd when you remember that for me "more is always better" -- LOL! Now for the sticker shock -- which isn't all that bad considering all the stuff included -- quoted price is $431.23. Add at least another $70.00 for shipping to NY and packaging supplies and I'll need to have about $500.00. The piece looked SO lovely that if I knew we could raise that much money, I would have told her it's a done deal! Currently, with donations in hand and one BIG one that is on it's way to me, we have about $250.00 so we are half way there. I WILL go to Michael's and Hobby Lobby early next week and see what type of estimate they give me. I have an appointment for 3:30pm today with another independent framer and I will post again with that info. Also, I want to be the one to do the lacing & pinning and I'm not sure that the chain stores will agree to that. To MOI, that is one of *the* most important parts of framing needlework properly! Susan, the lady I met with this AM, has no problem with me doing the lacing and pinning. She doesn't lace -- just pins but I think a piece this size needs both. She will provide the foam core, etc. and that's been included in the estimate. OK -- that's all for now. I'll post again once I return from this second appointment -- and I'll make sure to get photos. Hopefully, DH will get the *&(#%*($#^ scanner working so that I can actually SAVE the stuff I scan -- LOL! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Tia Mary
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Sounds great, Tia Mary!

I don't think it sounds small at all. I guess I generally don't like the big, heavy frames-- they always seem to overpower the picture.

Sounds about right for things I've framed that size. And I don't really think you'd need the spacers, since you have 2 mats and the fillet. That should pull the glass away from the beading and Wisper enough.

The Michael's here didn't have any problem with me doing my own lacing.

Joan

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Joan E.

Sounds lovely, and the price sounds about right for what you're doing. AC Moore and Micheal's both allow me to do my own pinning and in fact have complimented me on it, so don't worry about that. Can't wait to see the final piece.

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Hi Guys, OK -- DH had to reload all the scanner software to get the ()%(*&#*&$ thing to work but he did it :-). I have added a new album to my Webshots page -- appropriately titles Firehouse Angel Framing or something like that. The 2 photos of the stuff for the first estimate are there. The colors of the mats are considerably lighter than they really are so take that into consideration.

I had the 3:30 appointment and got quotes for two different options. Now, these quotes are a LOT less money for several reasons. First is that the woman runs her framing business out of her home so she has minimal overhead. Second is that the framing is much less involved than the first estimate.. No pictures yet but I'll try to see what can be done about that. OK -- here's the first option: 1.) Large frame with NO MAT -- done like the MLI chart photo. Again, the area of the Angel that is shown will be 13" x 17". The frame is about 2.5" wide and heavy. It has a moderately ornate (all that curvy stuff)top section done in a matte gold. The center section is very curved and is a dark brownish. The bottom section is a narrow band of more curvy matte gold. Having the matte gold right next to the fabric was very nice and the center brownish section highlighted the hair on the Angel. This option is $80.67 and while it IS quite nice, I think it is too "minimalist" to really do the piece justice. Also remember that I have received money from only four people and there were at least 14 people who have said they want to contribute so I'm sure we will have a fair amount of money over the cost of this option. 2.) This option is for a frame and one mat. The frame is 2" wide and the base color is a grayish blue with a latticework overlay done in gold dry brush. There is a narrow flowery looking border along the top and bottom in the same dry brushed gold -- maybe 1/8" wide I think. The mat is a stunning shimmery, glimmery white that looks pretty much like what you would expect an angel's wings to look like! It is really a pretty mat and is perfect with the frame -- whose base color is very close to the color of the fabric! The mat width will be 3.5". The cost for this option is $101.54. Again, I fairly sure we will have more money than we would need if we used this option.

OK -- so I will go to Hobby Lobby and another independent B&M framer (across the street from HL) either this weekend or on Monday. On Tuesday, two of my needlework friends will go with me to Michael's to get an estimate from them. I'm trying to get as many estimates ASAP because I go to Lizard Land for 2 weeks on Wednesday. DD & DSonIL need me there to help him get adjusted to his new VRT program and generally smack him upside the head and whip his sorry butt into shape again :-)! I think a time limit needs to be set for making donations. I was thinking that if people had their donations to me by the end of June, that would leave enough time to choose the framing option we wanted AND had sufficient money for. If the framing was completed by the end of July, that would give me plenty of time to get the piece packaged properly and shipped off to our presentation volunteers (Heather & Linda T.) in time for presentation before 9/11. So -- any thoughts, recommendations, etc. from anyone? Can you think of something I have forgotten to take into consideration? OK -- that's all for now. I'll post again when & if I get photos of these last two framing options. CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Tia Mary

Address for the webshots page?

Elizabeth

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Dr. Brat

It *should* be part of my siggy. Let me post this and then make sure it's there. If not, I will post the link. CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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If I can remember to take the *$(*%^ digital camera with me, I'll have photos! As for the siggy file -- I don't know WHAT happened, I dumped everything and started over 2 or 3 time but it never worked. I finally just did a copy & paste and went on to other things. I drug DH up her to tell me why I got no siggy file -- just "Greek" gibberish. I again wrote a new siggy file and told the machine to use the it. When I clicked on the reply button to your post, VOILA -- there's the OLD siggy file -- VBS!! Sometimes I truly computers -- LOLOL! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Tia Mary

Hi Guys, OK -- I went to Hobby Lobby and Frames by Simon, an Independent frame shop. The photos of the options are posted to Webshots. Remember, ALL of the quotes I am getting are based on having 13" x 17" of the needlework showing. Here's today's cost breakdowns: 1.) Frames by Simon -- $537.95. This is a fancy matte gold frame that is 3 1/8" wide. Bottom mat is the same sort of pale cream color with a 1/4" reveal. The top mat is a textured metallic gold called Chai Tatami Silk with a 3" reveal. Finished dimensions are 20 3/8" x 24

3/8". If people didn't like that gold mat, a nice suede one in a complementary color could be substituted at a reduction in cost of about $50.00. Total cost is $537.95 and the lady who did the quote said she would give us a 25% discount on the frame only since this is a "charity" project. She doesn't have the cost of the frame itemized but if you figure that about half the cost is the frame (maybe $260.00) that would be about a $50 reduction in price. 2.) Hobby Lobby -- $372.45. Again, a fancy matte silvery gold frame that is 2 3/4" wide. This frame is higher on the inside than it is on the outside -- different that the others I have chosen. The bottom mat is the same pale cream with about a 1/4" reveal and then there is a fillet. This fillet has a matte gold finish but has been dry brushed with what looks like a grayish blue paint. The top mat has a 3" reveal and is called Colonial Rose and doesn't look anything like what the name conjures in my mind -- LOL! It is a dark pinkish tan (as in tan skin -- NOT yellowish tan). There is some bluish gray mottling all over the mat and it really looks lovely with the fabric and the frame(s). Finished size is 20.75" x 24.75" and quote is $372.45.

Another of my needlework friends will go with MOI to Michael's on Tuesday. That will make five estimates for six different options. If you think I need to get more estimates or go to Joanns for an estimate, it will have to wait until I return from Lizard Land. Remember, you can see photos of the frame options for three of the five different estimates at the Webshots album site. CiaoMeow >^;;^<

PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at

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Tia Mary

I like this one the best so far, but I think I might prefer a darker mat, something that would pick up and repeat the effect of the purple cape, so the Angel is framed by her cape and the whole is framed by a mat of a similar color. But that's my taste and I'm happy to go with what you end up picking.

Elizabeth

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Dr. Brat

I like how the gold mat in the Frames by Simon example picks up the color of the wings. This would have my vote if it were lower in price or we had ample donations to cover the cost. Am I correct in presuming a cost of approximately $430 or so if we went with the suede mat and factoring in the frame discount?

Carolyn

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Do you have the pictures available for these?

Carolyn

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If it's regular ol' beads, two mats will be enough to keep the beads away from the glass.

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Darla

I would DEARLY love to put *anything* of *any* shade of purple on this piece but it just does not look good! Purple and green are my two favourite colors so the first thing I looked at was some sort of purple or lilac mat. Not one thing looked good! Something about putting it next to that blue fabric just makes it look truly yucky! I hate to say that about purple, but it's the honest truth. I was hoping I might find a really pale purple or lilac mat for the bottom but that didn't work out. I'm here to tell you I jumped for joy when I found that mottled mat at Hobby Lobby -- LOL! FINALLY -- something with some color (other than creame or skin tones) that looked good against that fabric! NOW I know why MLI framed the piece with NO mat! Of course, what we finally end up with will be determined by the amount of money we have AND what the group wants done. I would LOVE to have the piece triple matted with the yellowish cream next to the fabric, then a pale purple then a fillet and then one of the darker shades of mat or that gold metallic silk. Just imagine what THAT would cost -- LOLOL!! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at

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I don't have pictures available for the second framer's estimates. I forgot to take my digital camera to the appointment. I'm going to phone her tomorrow and see if I can go by on Monday and lay out the stuff again and take some photos. CiaoMeow >^;;^<

PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at

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Tia Mary

Yep -- I *think* it would be somewhere in that ball park. If that's the case, it would be in the same price range of the estimate from Susan. Let's not forget that I will also need a minimum of $70 (maybe more, I don't know) for postage plus something to purchase the packaging supplies with. Of course, I haven't factored in a donation from MOI so I could pay for any packaging supplies as my donation :-).

PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at

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Tia Mary

I know this but the framer was so dead set on having those spacers that I just let her go with it -- LOL! Besides, there's the extra measurement of the fillet frame to add in there!! Anyway, I didn't think a few extra dollars on top of $400+ was gonna be a deal breaker -- LOL! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Tia Mary skrev:

You know, when whoever presents the finished framed piece to the reciever, how about calling the local newspaper? It would make a great human interest story

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