OT: chronic fatigue study results

If you don't know anyone, how do you determine they are too busy yuppie-ing around to socialize with anyone? Oh, exaggeration, I remember.

A man actually said to your x husband that he didn't ask you to help him with a job because you are "just a secretary and not worthy of his time?" Someone actually said that? I doubt it very much. My husband would have told him to f*ck off and that would be that.

It sure does seem that everyone everywhere is against you. I actually don't think in my 50 years on earth ever knew anyone with so many stories of woe.

Around here, if they're filled, they're turnovers.

Elizabeth

I think turnovers are generally made with either pie crust-type pastry or "flaky" Danish-type pastry -- one that you would roll out, plop some fruit on, and then fold over and seal.

Popovers are most like creampuffs/eclairs - a "puff" pastry that is baked in a very hot oven, puffing up to fill with air (when you've done it right. When you haven't, you've baked hockey pucks!) so it's hollow inside. But IIRC creampuff dough involves heating water and magarine and adding flour and eggs to the heated ingredients. Popovers are mixed more like muffin dough. Part of the trick is in the baking - for a short time in a VERY hot oven, then turn down the heat to finish baking.

At the Maryland Rennfest, I've seen HUGE popovers that are filled with chicken salad for an ersatz "sandwich" -- yum!

Popover recipe:

Yes, I've heard them called that, too.

One thing that I have begun to notice is the large amount of playsets and playforts in all the backyards around me. Some of them are mighty cool looking. And they are all empty!! They never seem to be used at all. Kinda sad.

Kids are way too organized here. It seems like everday DD brings home pamphlets from school with classes of some sort for the school breaks and the summer. Most indoors.

My DD is lucky enough to have friends, boys and girls, that love to play outdoors. Just give them a set of walkie-talkies and watch the imaginations begin. I wish more parents would promote physical play in the yard. Sure, it can be a pain to have to watch over them outside, but I don't mind. I can always find something to do outside while the kids are here. Heck, I sometimes get involved.

Diane the only mom in the neighborhood that would play street hockey. (without the skates, of course) I have shot many a puck at my son in the driveway, and replaced just as many panes of glass in the garage doors!

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

I call those playscapes "shrines to childhood". They look like alot of fun, but the kids are too busy everywhere else to play there so the playscape is just to admire and say.....ohhhhhh Lynne from MI

It helps if they aren't all 100% true, but perhaps her life really has been full of such total losers. Her choices throughout her life seem to have been truly bad, if she always has such people in her life to tell such sad stories about.

There but for the grace of God go I.....

Caryn

There but your own positive attitude, you mean! It makes a difference.

Pat P

Thanks Pat, my immediate thought! Us heathens think alike sometimes.

I work in a place where I see the accusation of "godlessness" thrown at my type (liberal democrats) almost daily. I suppose that makes me heathen? rofl

Today is a good day, woke up without much pain, got to crochet a bit before work, I'm wearing a new dress, and have gotten compliments on it. Life is pretty good today!

Caryn (godless liberal, who knew?)

I`d take that as a compliment. After all, what has caused the most bloodshed over the centuries, if not "God"!

Pat P

...and big fat Rush Limbaugh is still a junkie in a self-importance costume.

Mrs PP, you sound like those People who blame `The Computer` for every wrong detailed Document they get.... when it wasc a Human hand that Mistyped that detail in that computer.... You are right, that many Bad things happened Supposedly under the name of God, but Those bad deeds were done by PEOPLE .... mirjam

Jangchub skrev:

What about "support system" do you not understand?!!! FRIENDS

This is a sensitive subject for *me* (obviously I can't speak for Karen C. or anyone else) because I've "been there, done that" and would probably not be ALIVE today if I hadn't had an excellent support system. Now that my life is going well (and I live in Sweden with the "horrors" of SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!!!), I do my best to help others, including those who helped me.

Unfortunately, we often find out just who our real friends are (or aren't) only when things get tough. :-(

Sick people can't exactly "tidy-up" as they go like healthy people do. If it's all someone can manage to toss some canned soup into the microwave and then climb into bed, sure things will get a bit messy. But that kind of mess shouldn't take 4 flipping hours to clean-up, not unless the cleaners are village idiots!!! (or just don't care).

Except that jerkoids unfortunately don't come with large "J"s tatooed to their foreheads!!! Believe me, I know!

There are some things in our lives that we can control and others that we can't.

Karen, I am really sorry that you have it so tough and I hope things work-out for you!!!

Erin

She called her "friends" witches. What part of that don't YOU understand? I call my friends angels. They'd do anything for me.

Yes, but you have a support system because chances are you don't have demanding expectations.

Um, no friend has ever cleaned my house. I don't have that expectation of them. You can fall into the trap of the poor me sense of entitlement, but like Karen, it turns people off. If it didn't, she'd have plenty of help.

Yeah, I will be needing a liver transplant. It would never take anyone 4 hours to clean my kitchen. I think she is a massive exaggerater.

Oh, yes they do. Ignorance is not bliss.

A sense of entitlement is something we can control.

Maybe if she stops calling her "friends" witches, she'd have a better experience.

"Jangchub"

And don`t forget that to HAVE a friend, you have to BE one. Maybe you haven`t been on here long enough to hear Katren`s constant whining and bad mouthing her acquaintances (she can hardly call her friends). Naturally one feels sorry for anyone who is genuinely ill and/or disabled, but it`s hard to stay sympathetic with a constant moaner!

Pat P

This discussion reminds me of one of the best political cartoons I ever saw. It was in out local news paper at the beginning of the first gulf war in response to articles written by representatives from the various religions on the subject of what in the tenants of that particular religion justified war and under what circumstances. The cartoon showed a representation of god looking down from heaven with prayers from both sides of the conflict wafting toward him. Men will always find a reason to go to war, religion simply gives them one more tool with which to convince the masses. I think Tony Blair and George Bush used WMDs and the fear of a terrorist under every bed to convince the masses. Them being more secular societies. How they must envy the countries where one merely has to incite the religious element. And the more dangerous despots of the world have been using this distraction to their advantage. obviously if there was a god he would have long tired of this tedious little planet and gone off to whip up new inventions. Ruby The blood of sons and the tears of mothers forever the food of the gods.

Stitcher ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

Plus, old men like to send the young ones away, clears the field for them genetically.

Or maybe sick people just don't get out and about enough to make many friends. Ya know how they are, always busy feeling sick and all that.

I speak English and Swedish fluently, my Spanish and French are rusty. Sorry, I don't speak "clicheish." I've found that these trite little sayings usually don't mean much except that the person using them is lazy.

I've READ this group for YEARS. I stopped participating over a year ago because of all the nastiness!!!

Now *I'M* getting all nasty and I think I'll go do something fun, like play with my dog or (gasp!) DO NEEDLEWORK!!!

:-)

Erin