OT: Hurricane Katrina.

The latest news I have heard is that Katrina is now a Category 5 hurricane, and is on course for a direct hit on New Orleans. Prayers for all, especially any rctners, who are menaced by this monster.

-- Jim Cripwell. A volante tribe of bards on earth are found,/ who, while the flattering zephyrs round them play,/ on "coignes of vantage" build their nests of clay;/ how quickly from that aery hold unbound,/ dust for oblivion!/ To the solid ground/ of nature trusts the mind that builds for aye. Wordsworth.

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F.James Cripwell
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I *think* the only one of us who lives right IN New Orleans is Olwyn Mary. If you read this Olwyn Mary, will you post to let us know if you leave town? Assuming you have the, time, power, etc. of course. We don't want to worry about whether or not you make it to high ground!! The same goes for any other of our friends. If ANY of you are in the path of the storm and you leave for safer climes, either post before you go or maybe phone someone and ask them to post for you. There are several women over at RCTQ who live in Florida and they do this routinely and it keeps the rest of us from worrying unduly about our friends. Keep as safe as possible & CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Tia Mary

I'm here in Florida and would be glad to act as a conduit for Olwyn Mary. Tia Mary, you have my real email address and can share it if you hear from her, or if she would send me a note here I would be glad to send it to her immediately.

I hope everyone in that area is well and safe and taking all the proper precautions. Good luck to all.

Lucille

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Lucille

Pat P

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Pat P

Thanks so much everyone. At present, we are not evacuating. We did it for Ivan (against my better judgment) and it was a complete nightmare. I have made all the usual preps, baked extra bread, cooked a roast so we will have cold meat, got in lots of salad veggies and fruit, and we have at this moment 10 gallons of drinking water. Five of them are in the chest freezer to fill it right up to capacity.

Our two-story house has been here since 1917, and it is built up off the ground, and in the middle of the city, surrounded by lots of other tall, close-together houses.

I have, however, started to pack a bag. If the Big One does hit, and power etc. are going to be off for quite a while, I figure we will just find a way to the airport as soon as the road has been cleared, and we will head out for someplace. Probably arrive in Atlanta then see which planes are going where. We have a son in Calif., and very good friends in Tampa and in Ohio, so we should be able to find sanctuary somewhere until utilities are restored, and as DH retired last year, we can be anywhere.

Thanks for caring, if I find myself in need and able to post I will do so.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

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Olwyn Mary

Remember also, it helps keep things frozen longer if the power is gone and you wrap the freezer up in sleeping bags etc. Good Luck!

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Lucretia Borgia

I feel truly sorry for the people in Katrina's path. For something that started out as a tropical depression/storm and really wasn't supposed to be more than a minimal hurricane, Katrina has really turned in to something ugly. With all the foreign aid the US sends abroad each year for natural and manmade disasters, it will be interesting to see which countries send us some help recovering from Katrina's wrath.

Lisa

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lisawhite

I wish this typical myth would go away, once and for all. I can't be bothered to argue it once again. Canada in particular has sent aid to the US so many times I can't count.

Ethnocentrism rules I guess!

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Lucretia Borgia

I stayed up all night watching Katrina coverage (and playing Sid Meier's Pirates). I see she is now within 2 mb of where Camille was at her worst although maximum winds have a ways to go yet. Hang tough Olwyn Mary! I think I'd put up even more water since they say the disease that would follow the flooding of New Orleans could be much worse than the flooding itself. Having a known clean water source could be vital. We're expecting a visit from Katrina on Wednesday but it won't be anything like what you might face down there.

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Brenda Lewis

Lucretia: a quick serch on goggle gave me 2 meanings for ethnocentrism (there are most likely more and different ones!):

  1. a belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group
  2. an overriding concern with race.

I am an American of Italian and Slovak descent. I am also white. No where in my response did I say anything about a belief in the superiority of my own ethnic group. Nor did my response have an overriding concern with race. America and Americans are generous to a fault. Whenever there is a catastrophe in the world - whether it is man made or natural - America responds. Period. Help runs both ways over the Canadian border. It would be nice if more countries responded with help for us when we are struck by catastrophes. I didn't pick on any one particular country or race. If you believe I did, then that belief is your problem. Believe it to be a myth if you want. I am entitled to my opinion. I suggest you be careful how you label people's opnions. Lisa

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lisawhite

I am also entitled to my opinion, especially since I live where we took in all those aircraft on Sept 11 that should have landed in the US but didn't, GWB preferring we blew up rather than American citizens.

There have been many occasions when assistance was offered and the US Government rejected it.

Your post definitely made it plain that you felt other countries do not belly up for America - and that is a lie. I am not going to bore everyone again, we have dispelled this idea before.

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Lucretia Borgia

One can see New Orleans through their traffic cams at

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Lucretia Borgia

I keep you in my thoughts. In Finland there was a storm on Friday. I don't remember this many households without electricity due a storm, about 40 000. After that news I read the papers that when Katrina left Florida as type 1 storm, it left 500 000 households without electricity... That would be whole Helsinki in Finland...

Hugs, Johanna

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Johanna Koski

And don`t forget that the UK gave far more support than they could comfortably afford in the Iraq "adventure", as well as our huge donations to the Tsunami fund. We just don`t shout about it as much!

Pat P

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Pat P

The problem arises because the US media, by and large, omits mention of these things. People believe them.

I could not believe the outpouring here for the Tsunami either.

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Lucretia Borgia

We know how generous America is, and have been extremely grateful for it in our time.

My father was also very generous - he too made sure that everyone knew about it!

Nuff said.

Pat P

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Pat P

Yes I do feel that there are countries that do not reach out and help America. Note that I did not identify any country that would or would not help us. This is my OPINION. Just because my opinion does not agree with someone else's does NOT make it a lie! Every person is entitled to an opinion; no person - NO ONE - is entitled to label someone else's opinion a lie. The American government may have refused help from other countries. George Bush was chastised by the UN for not pledging enough funds for Tsunami disaster; he's the head of the American government, not the American people who opened their pockets and gave generously to various relief organizations. There is no reason that help has to go through the American government. Help can be channeled through the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and the various religious relief organizations that exist. A representative of the Catholic Relief Services (CRS) spoke at my church last month. CRS pledged ~ $25 million if I remember correctly - knowing that that pledge would take money away from their other relief efforts. The figure that CRS raised from American Catholics was in the order of $100 million. American people are very generous! Lucretia - we could beat this to death. This is the last I will post on this subject. Please remember that I am entitled to my opinion. If it doesn't agree with yours, then so be it. Your opinion is simply that - something that you believe to be true. It is not my place to label it anything other than your opinion. Please show me the same courtesy.

Lisa

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lisawhite

And my opinion is that it is something that she KNOWS to be true.

Pat P

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Pat P

But you do remember, don't you, that you claimed that nobody would rush to help the Louisianans harmed in this hurricane ?

I am sure they will, just as our power men went to Florida for weeks on end last year, or the power men from Maine came to our assistance two years ago. Or that in the aftermath of the ice storm about four years ago, NS, Maine and New Brunswick pooled their resources to put them where it was most needed first, heedless of whether that place was American or Canadian.

There was the Red River flooding out west and reciprocal kindnesses were common there too, though I am not so knowledgeable about the details of that.

Go back to the beginning of the last century and Boston was the first to assist Halifax which was nearly blown to pieces when an ammunition ship collided in the harbour with another ship. Thus was formed a close alliance with Boston which still lasts and their pain or suffering is also our pain or suffering.

There are many Americans who were on the flights sent down here on Sept 11 who will tell you of their undying gratitude to Nova Scotians and Newfoundlanders - they have proved it by founding some scholarships etc. they could not believe the kindness, hospitality and shelter shown to them as total strangers. To us, it was just part of what we would do for anyone and nobody was more surprised or appreciative that they took that measure to say thank you.

So do not be too quick to say that nobody helps Americans, that is a lie, however you look at it. Just do a little research and you will find people help people and it has nothing to do with being an American, or of any particular religion.

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Lucretia Borgia

Lisa, the word also means the tendency to regard one's own group or culture as intrinsically superior to all others. A sort of "nationalism". So that many in the U.S. thinks that the U.S. is greater, better, you name it. :-) That may be pushing the envelope for the word, but it is often used to point a finger at the U.S. citizenry who tend to be the "Ugly American" by thinking that everything we have to offer is far to superior to anywhere else on the planet.

We don't usually help other countries unless they really need the help. Luckily and thankfully, at this point in history, we are able to resolve and solve our own problems without outside help.

I'm curious, Sheena mentioned the Canadians offering the U.S. relief. Wonder if she could name a few things, events? Not disputing, just would like to know. :-)

Dianne

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Dianne Lewandowski

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