OT: IvyJane Update

Jan 10, 2009 87 Replies

So true. We were really glad at getting an English Springer that's of the field line versus the show breed type - which while they're breeding for the coat tend to get a little heavier as well. We still had the dog checked for hips, and agreed with the vet that before he would breed we would have his eyes CERF certified, and his heart checked - the other place they may have problems. He's not as stocky as the show dogs get. But, our breeder is extremely responsible, and after their bitch had 3rd litter, she actually was hurt when some idiot ran her, and her mom Nancy, over as they were walking - on the sidewalk - crossing the street and the idiot ran a stop. Anyhow, Puckster's mommy, Shadow, was quite hurt, but recovered amazingly well, and is perfecct. However the owners decided to have her spayed rather than have her go through another pregnancy. They're very well connected with the breeders on this coast, thru PA and NY, so if we don't have a puppy thru Puckster, we'd use them to search a breeder. They also, like many others we know - seriously interviewed us before we were allowed to take a puppy and were quite insistent that if we were ever to sell the dog we should return him to them, and they would actually refund his original price. Footnote, that they wanted him back about 2 months later - especially after they babysat him for us.

Elizabeth would know better than I, but honestly, I don't think real show dogs come from the puppy mills. Those tend to be breeding for profit to the mass market. It's horrible - and has arisen when some breed becomse the latest cute ideal. Happened with cockers some years ago.

Ellice

Thanks for the link - the dogs are gorgeous. Congrats on all the success. I'm sure it's plenty of work.

We've spoken with Pucksters prior school, and I think we're going to go do another obedience and get him back into his agility training - he really likes it, and we could use the work and discipline!

Ellice

I agree that it's extremely unlikely that any champions come from puppy mills. I would venture to say impossible. I was shocked when I read that the Amish, who I always thought highly of, were major players in the puppy mill world. So disappointing that they have so little regard for life.

Now that Maltese have gotten so popular they too are starting to have problems.. I got Puff from a private lady who owned his mother, father and one aunt and decided to breed them. Puff came from the third, and last litter she was going to her dogs to have. He's a cutie and a full bred Maltese, but he is a little bigger then the breed standard (he weighs 8 or maybe 9 lbs,) and has no papers and you know what, I certainly don't care.

Lucille

Elizabeth wrote

LOL! That's exactly what I tell people about my Tervs. If you've never seen one, they look like Collie/Shepherd crosses. People stop us in the streets here in Salem to ask about them - they're truly stunning dogs. And I always make sure to emphasize that this is a breed that needs a job. If you don't give them one, they'll find one, and you might not like what they pick!

Some Canadian police forces use the various Belgian shepherds now, and they excel in police dog competitions. They seem to really rise to the challenge of learning as many different skills as their handlers can teach them.

Dawne

Thank you. It doesn't really feel like work. He truly loves to engage in those activities (well, except obedience, so we don't do much of that) and is a joy to work with.

Congratulations on the CGC! I know dogs that have flunked that test, so it's nothing to sneeze at.

Both my boys wear rolled leather collars most of the time, except for when Cash is showing in the breed ring, and then he spend most of his time naked. I don't recommend this, normally, but he's not likely to go anywhere without me and therefore not likely to need the identification. In obedience classes, I use a light weight pinch collar for precision. In agility, I don't use a collar at all. Lately, I've abandoned even the pinch for Harry in obedience and have been working him off leash. Ideally, you want to be able to hold your dog's attention such that it doesn't matter what kind of collar he has on or if he has one, but it can take a long time to get there. Does anyone near you do clicker training?

Elizabeth

As I said to Dianne, it really doesn't feel like work to me. It's what I do with my free time and is probably why I haven't gotten as much stitching done since I got Cash. I really enjoy working with both dogs (you can see Harry here:

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). I thinkagility is a blast and a half. Harry doesn't do it anymore because ithurts his back to do weave poles, but he still loves obedience and itis just so much fun to create a team with the dogs. I also reallyenjoy the people I've met both training and competing with them.Elizabeth (who spent the day hanging out with other people who ownBelgian Tervuren - I think we had 28 dogs in the same large room atone point)

Close friends of ours have a Groenendael (black) and a Swiss Shepherd (white German Shepherd). They're beautiful dogs and *extremely* intelligent! Not quite as intelligent as our Miss Alice, though. ;-D

Perfectly lovely -- they all seem to be bounding with health there.

As I said to Dianne, it really doesn't feel like work to me. It's what I do with my free time and is probably why I haven't gotten as much stitching done since I got Cash. I really enjoy working with both dogs (you can see Harry here:

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). I thinkagility is a blast and a half. Harry doesn't do it anymore because ithurts his back to do weave poles, but he still loves obedience and itis just so much fun to create a team with the dogs. I also reallyenjoy the people I've met both training and competing with them.Elizabeth (who spent the day hanging out with other people who ownBelgian Tervuren - I think we had 28 dogs in the same large room atone point)

That looks like great fun. I know some people do it with little dogs. How I wish I had thought about it when both Puff and I were both much younger and much more agile.

Lucille

No, but I was introduced to it and understand what to do. That may be the key for Parker. In the house - off leash - he will do perfect heel, turns, halt. Outside: forget it. As soon as I can get outside again, I will try the clicker. With the new puppy, we're also reviewing "watch me", so that is also helpful.

I can't get over how gorgeous your dogs are. A breed so rarely seen.

Dianne

I use "watch me" and "right here" a lot with my dogs, to the point where it functions instead of a leash and collar.

I really think that they're beautiful beasts. I suppose I might have another breed at some point, but I do love my Tervuren.

Elizabeth

One of the things I love about agility is that it is you see people of all ages and sizes out there with dogs of all ages and sizes. I saw a woman with a walker on wheels at a trial this summer and I know a man who goes to indoor competitions in his electric wheel chair. I also know lots of people who take classes with their dogs for the fun and social aspect of it without any intentions of competing.

I might have posted one of these before, but here's a link to one of my runs with Cash this summer:

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you can see, I don't run very fast.Elizabeth

One of the things I love about agility is that it is you see people of all ages and sizes out there with dogs of all ages and sizes. I saw a woman with a walker on wheels at a trial this summer and I know a man who goes to indoor competitions in his electric wheel chair. I also know lots of people who take classes with their dogs for the fun and social aspect of it without any intentions of competing.

I might have posted one of these before, but here's a link to one of my runs with Cash this summer:

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you can see, I don't run very fast.Elizabeth

He really is a magnificent dog. And you look pretty good too.

Thanks. That was nice to watch.

.How cool! And it's so much fun to see a face to go with the name and personality!

Linda

Well done ! He clearly enjoys it. Bah, you only have two legs, he has four lol

I actually was fortunate enough to meet him last summer at Cheryl's home.

I was so amazed because he is so big, and also so well mannered. WE left Elise to play with him while we talked stitchy (and other) things.

A truly gorgeous and lovely dog!

Maybe I should have had dogs rather than kids LOL.

Gillian

Yeah! What a great video! Thanks so much for sharing it! If I can ever work out the transportation angle, you have given me hope I can do it, too. Parker would love it.

Dianne

I'm thinking that you met Harry, partially because even though Elise is amazing with dogs, I don't think I'd leave Cash alone with her, but maybe I did. Cash is a little more nervous around strangers and children. Harry is bombproof. Cash actually has the more typical temperment for this breed, unfortunately.

Elizabeth (who does have dogs rather than kids *snicker*)

I really hope you can work it out. Some dogs really do love it (and I've seen Cavaliers who are wild about it) and the sense of partnership you develop with your dog is just incomparable.

Elizabeth

Thanks for the link to the other pix - the dogs are gorgeous, and the pictures well done. They look so happy.

That's a pretty doggy room! Sounds like fun.

Ellice

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