Firehouse Angel Update

So decisions have actually been made? The endless bickering on how to frame it and present it are over then?

I don't recall Victoria ever stating that she didn't want her leftover materials back when she washed her hands of the ongoing project. I don't believe that asking to have her name removed from your website also means that she wishes to be an anonymous someone who doesn't deserve the return of any leftover materials she purchased. I have read enough of the bickering threads to know that things got very very petty, but I'd hoped that it wouldn't get this bad.

Caryn

You didn't do anything at all wrong. Nobody is wrong. The question was who wants the remainder of materials and I asked for the things I contributed. That's all.

I repeatedly asked to be taken off the website, my name, and links to my email (if I remember, which I don't). If I was going to stitch the whole thing myself (which I set out to do before I made the mistake of sharing this with anyone from rctn) I had every intention of being anonymous. I don't need the FDNY or NYPD to know who I am. Eh, no worries. I'd like the Needlepaints and DMC, my bobbins, and rings. I don't think that's unreasonable.

If this was a group of reasonable people.....

And before someone attacks me for being "unreasonable" I freely admit to being so at times.

Caryn (not one of the "perfect" people)

If I recall, I wanted the angel back because I got a bit afraid it would never be finished. That was over a year ago. I was told this wasn't MY project, it belonged to everyone. Well, no, it didn't. It was a project I started and invited people to share in. The "pack" said they would not send it to me because they thought I'd steal it from them and not finish it. This is all so petty.

Ya know what, never mind. Please Tia Mary, don't send me any of it. I changed my mind now. Auction it off, sell it or give it away to someone else. I am deeply sorry I got back into this thread. Do whatever you want.

With all the petty nonsense and other bad feelings associated with those fibers, perhaps it is better for your overall health (mental, spiritual and physical) that you don't get them back again?

I'd think, now more than ever, you'd want to eliminate negative energies from your life.

Caryn

I have watched the progress of Firehouse Angel since the beginning and have nothing but awe for the wonderful work you all have done. I would like to contribute to the framing. Tia Mary, please email me ( snipped-for-privacy@shentel.net) when you have some working numbers. Thanks.

Crewelwoman

Tia Mary wrote:

You are very wise and this is excellent advice.

Yep -- I SAID I could be petty -- and vindictive too -- so that's no surprise :-)! I shan't argue with you. I have the rings and the little plastic bags that the bobbins were in and I shall send them back to you if you don't make other arrangements with Carolyn. What about the chart, did you provide the chart? If so, I shall include that in the package once all work has been completed on the Angel.

snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:>

Well, if you had read my posts you would have seen that I repeatedly referred to the FDNY HQ or Headquarters as being recipient of the Angel. We had this discussion ages ago (which is likely why any suggestions you made were not remembered) and most everyone agreed that Headquarters would be the place to PRESENT the Angel to. Once they have it, they can do what they want with it and they might decide to put it in the museum that you found "all on your own". One problem with giving the piece to an individual Firehouse was to decide which firehouse should get it. I believe that Vic had originally thought the house that suffered the most losses would be the recipient. After discussion, most of us (Vic included) agreed that this would sort of ignore the losses suffered by the other houses and that's when giving the piece to Headquarters became a viable option. As for opinions, I was thinking along the lines of exactly how to frame the piece. I truly believe that the people who contributed to the piece -- either by working on it or providing supplies -- are the ones who have final say on how the piece should be framed. I have at least a half dozen people on the list of those who are willing to contribute money and their frame vote will be as important as those who did the actual stitching. I'm sorry if that's upsetting but the line has to be drawn somewhere -- there's just too many people on RCTN to try and consider the opinions of everyone. This doesn't mean everyone can't offer a suggestion -- several suggestions have been made by folks not involved and they have been GOOD suggestions and did have an impact on final decisions. I will try to get links for the different frame choices and I will post them to the group. Everyone can tell us which they think is best but if it comes down to a vote, the choice of people involved in the project will the deciding factor. As for asking if anyone KNEW someone in the FDNY, I certainly didn't ask that question. I asked if there was anyone who lives in or near NYC who would be willing to go to FDNY HQ and present the finished piece. Presentation of the piece is no longer something that can easily be done anonymously. I am sure that someone at HQ will have to be contacted so that we can set up an appropriate time for presentation of the Angel. I DID say that I would contact my local fire station and ask them about who I should contact at the FDNY HQ.

After doing some extensive searching of Google groups archives, this is what I found:

Vic was originally going to use some hand-dyed fabric but ultimately that was decided against because of washing issues. So then:

Then:

Which didn't happen because:

As far as I could tell, that was the end of the discussion on who was supplying what materials. If anyone wants to research it further, please feel free.

Now, everyone take a biiiiiiiig breath, blow it out slowly, and

Joan

Since the chart has been marked up and signed (some with addtional comments) by those of us who worked on her, I *truly* believe that the chart should stay with the angel.

Joan

Well, sounds like Carolyn will be getting the DMC and everything else but the Needlepaints -- assuming she still wants them. Since Meredith sent the DMC to Vic and Vic wound it on the bobbins, I will be sure to send all those nasty little bobbins back to her. I have never liked bobbins :-)! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

Yes, I did provide the chart. It was lost somewhere and replaced. The scroll rods came back less the wing nuts, by the way, and in the case where the chart was returned, there was no a note or way for me to know who sent it back.

I provided everything but the beads, metallics, and fabric.

Yeah, that's another thing. At my expense I mailed a copy of the chart to everyone who stitched with permission from the designer. I also paid to have the chart laminated.

Good research, Joan!! I wish that 4-5 years ago I owned a crystal ball. Then I would have known that all necessary emails would be saved for final resolution!! LOL

Keep smiling

Gill