Firehouse Angel Update

What if some sort of clear plastic envelope was attached to the back by the framer, and then you could put whatever info you choose into that -- it would be more protected and more likely to "stay stuck" than just a paper envelope.

How Beautiful she is! A spendid job! I have always enjoyed reading up on the progress of this project.

I was just wondering.....how will she be presented? And will it be in the news? Or is this just a private thing between rctn and the fire department? I was just curious. Maybe this was discussed and I just missed it.

Diane

Jangchub responded:

There were a lot of stitchers who put endless hours into stitching this project and they got no monetary rewards for their work. I maintained a site (granted, it took little time or server space), that was donated to the project. Someone took hours and spent funds to wind the threads on bobbins and organize them in a bobbin case, free of charge.

There are going to be several who will donate funds to see that she is framed. Also, the shipping costs to get her to New York.

This was always a project of donation from our hearts for a loving cause. If selling the fibers, etc., will help defray the costs of framing, then I'm all for it. You have washed your hands of this project, poisoned the aura around it causing it to almost collapse, and threatened me before I had a chance to get all your information off the site. At this point, anything we can do to defray costs, I'm all for it. If it's not possible to do that, then perhaps we should *think* about sending them back to you.

Dianne

I'd also like to contribute to the cost of framing. The project began before I found rctn but I've followed it ever since. Tia Mary, please contact me too off list: nn_abbasi at hotmail dot com.

Thank you, Nadia

Didn't Vic purchase all the materials? If she did, maybe (since she doesn't seem to be responding to this thread) we should offer them back to her or at least ask her what she'd like done with them.

Yes, definitely include the chart!

That sweet little angel couldn't *possibly* have grubby little paws!!!! :)

Joan

I've emailed you privately about this.

Carolyn

Would you consider allowing me to purchase everything but the Needlepaints with the proceeds going towards the framing? The Needlepaints could then be returned to you; they were the most expensive of the fibers anyhow.

Carolyn

Tia Mary -

Please contact me via email about where to send donations and an idea for the presentation.

Sue

Excuse me Dianne. I bought everything but the beads and fabric. I wound all the bobbins, bought all the rings to hold them, the plastic bags, and the shipping tube.

Who are you talking to?

Hasn't this all been settled yet? Victoria had the original idea and bought the materials years ago. I remember she tried to recruit me to be part of this project, but at the time I was busy stitching my own design models and could not help out. Had I known how freaking long this thing would take, I might have accepted, but I thought speed was of the essense.

During the intervening years others have taken control of the project, seemingly claiming it to be entirely their own, at least that's how it's come across to me. I admit freely to not reading every single post about this topic, because I did not choose to participate.

Victoria has said on several occasions that she is washing her hands of the project, but I don't think that means she should be reduced to the designation of "someone" rather than give her credit where it is due. It seems rather childish.

I know she ticked you all off royally time and again, but that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to be mentioned by name for what she did contribute. Surely, typing Victoria isn't any harder than typing "someone."

If someone like me, who didn't participate, can remember who provided the materials, I would think that someone who did, and maintained the website would as well.

Caryn

That's one of the things I mentioned earlier. I have clear plastic "sleeves" that I could put on the back and it would be one less thing to have to pay the framer for :-)! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

Joan -- the SMDGD is three -- of course she has grubby little paws -- LOLOL!

As for the fibers, etc. IIRC, Victoria purchased the DMC and the Needlepaints and someone else bought the beads, braid & metallics. If anything is returned to Vic, it will be ONLY those things she purchased. If that means I have to unwind all of those bobbins then that's what I will do. I can be extremely petty and vindictive when I feel the need

-- LOL! I have an offer from someone to purchase everything but the Needlepaints if Victoria will agree to give up the DMC. If not, then other arrangements can be made with this person. I will post separately about this just to make sure that all concerned have the info. CiaoMeow >^;;^<

If other arrangements aren't made, I will return the fibers (on the bobbins) to you. I had thought someone else purchased the Braid & metallics -- am I wrong in remembering that?

RESPONSE: Caryn, I was in at the beginning; I bought the fabric and did a stitching stint. Others were kind enough to "take control" only when V withdrew. None of us ever claimed it was our idea.

RESPONSE: Caryn, V does deserve to be mentioned by name, but she chose NOT to be. Had you kept up with the posts you would know that she insisted that her name be removed from Dianne's website.

Let's not have another disruptive thread. It isn't fair to V, to the rest of us, or to the Angel.

Felice

snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote: > I know she ticked you all off royally time and again, but that doesn't

Victoria insisted that her name be removed from the website and any material that might accompany the angel to its final recipients. She threatened me by email because I didn't get her name off the site fast enough. Is that good enough reason for you?

And no . . . nobody took over the project. We have acted as a group from day one, and decisions have been a democratic process.

Dianne

What to do with the remaining supplies couldn't possibly be settled until the project was finished. Time was NEVER of the essence. It was stressed time and again that people should work at their own speed. Vic had wanted to get the project completed in a year but that was a *very* optimistic time frame. Agreed, it has taken considerably longer than any of us expected but that's life. No one EVER said that Victoria would be ignored when it came to putting names on the piece. But then, she DID ask to have her name removed from EVERYTHING having to do with the project so there would be grounds for not including her name on the finished piece. You DIDN'T remember who contributed the materials -- Vic contributed the DMC & Needlepaints (maybe the braid & metallics, I don't remember) but someone else contributed the fabric (which probably cost as much as all the other supplies together) and beads. You have said you haven't read all the posts regarding the Angel. I wonder just why you feel the need to criticize those who have read the posts and been involved in the actual work. I realize I am being rather heavy handed but, to tell the truth, the opinions of those who were actively involved in this project are the most important. It will be those opinions I take to heart when it comes to final resolution of questions regarding the Angel. I will be up front and tell everyone that Vic's wants and desires are nowhere near as important as those of the other people involved in the Angel. Yes, it was her idea and she was the one who got the ball rolling and she deserves our gratitude for that. But remember, SHE asked to have her name removed from the website and anything having to do with the project and SHE chose to divorce herself from the project. She also posted and said all she really wanted to have returned to her was her scroll frame and I did return that at MY own expense. I bet you never say one word from Vic about getting it back but we say LOTS of posts about her wanting it back!! THAT is the bottom line and I won't ague with anyone about that. CiaoMeow >^;;^<