OT: Computer problems or quiet group?

REALLY??? Good heavens that must have been YEARS ago - way before my time, anyway!

Pat P

I am interested in temari and have done many. However the subject was done to death about 7/8 years ago. I didn't happen to see the recent thread or I might have said something.

There was a woman in BC who did wonderful ones, I believe she has a yahoo group now, but I lost touch with her. She was a heavy smoker and could not really display her temari because of it. I suggested she buy one of those large glass bells you see in good cookery shops and display several at a time under glass. She was delighted with the idea lol

I know Sharon in NB has just done one, her first, and would probably be interested, she must have missed the thread too. Was it actually Temari in the Subject Line ?

Having a dial up connection does not limit you to AOL or Google for usenet. Up until recently, I was on a dial up. I have used the German feed for usenet for over a year, now. It is now about $14 a year - it used to be free. Others have posted here that there are still some freebie services. All it takes is a newsreader. Free Agent is just that: free. I use Netscape. You can use Firefox's add-on (is it Thunderbird?). Also free.

I can understand your frustration using Google. I tried that before I moved to the German feed.

Honestly, I have not seen anyone talk about cross stitch in that manner. You must admit that some cross stitch patterns are just that: simple cross stitch. Others are exceeding complex (blending threads, beading, confetti stitches, etc.). Still others combine complex stitches. I think most of us realize that cross stitch doesn't necessarily mean simple X's.

I think a great many of us here encourage people to go beyond what they are doing. Isn't that what a support group, such as RCTN, should be doing?

Well, I undertook a knitting path that I couldn't figure out. So, I asked a question. I was guided. I learned. If it would have been 2am, I'd have had to stop and wait for an answer. Certainly wouldn't make me throw away the project. Although, in this case, I stopped the project because I didn't like the results. Have to find another pattern, now. Dianne

Funny isn't it? You haven't seen what Dianne is complaining of, nor can I recall such a time. And you haven't seen what I meant about cross stitch, nor has Dianne.

Actually, after Mavia asked about it I did a wee bit of googling, and found the sort of comment that has led me to feel that some hold Xst as being inferior:

This is from a thread in 2002 (I really don't feel like pushing my migraine to do a ton of research, and google didn't give me most recent first):

"While I can sympathize with your stubborness, the fact is that the word embroidery encompasses any embellishment with needle and thread on a ground, and that includes machine work. It's ALL embroidery. Even your cross stitching. Even canvas work. Even PLASTIC canvas stuff. "

Dianne said it here:

"Even your cross stitching" "Even canvas work" The language is just a tad condescending, and has led to my perception that she and others consider Xst to be inferior.

I'm off to do some Xsting, it makes me a lot happier than having to justify the way I feel or my perceptions of things that have been said.

Caryn

You can't just take the last words out of context - First there was "While I can sympathize with your stubborness, the fact is that the

It can't be more clear than that - it's All embroidery ! How is that putting down cross stitch ? To me that is including it in with everything else. Is there some reason why you feel it should be made to stand on it's own, perhaps superior to any other form of embroidery?

"Tegan" had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT: Computer problems or quiet group?:

Hmmm, then I must not be reading here. Guess that local ISP on dialup doesn't really exist if AOL/Google are THE ONLY source for newsgroup access.

Okay.. it's not THE only source.. it's MY only source, considering I'm as yet unwilling to leave AOL. If you've followed the whole thread, you would have seen where I admitted my rather embarrassing reason for keeping AOL, even though I do realize there are other ways to get to the Internet. By having AOL as my ISP, that makes the AOL program dominant. As I understand it, none of the news readers that have been mentioned will work with AOL. And I could be wrong. My Computer Geek/God doesn't know of any, but that doesn't mean there aren't any out there.

Tegan

notwithstanding.

perception

Where did I say it should "stand on it's own"???

I was asked to show an example of why I felt some people treated Xst as being inferior.

I found the sort of comment that led me to that feeling. If you see it differently, that's fine that is YOUR perception. I was speaking of my own feelings, the way I percevied things. Not once did I say anybody else had to agree with me. I only provided, as asked, an example of why I felt the way I do. After saying it was a form of embroidery, she had to be condescending and say "even your cross stitch."

I'm not saying it is superior to any other form of embroidery, I never have. I prefer doing it, but I don't think that means it is superior. You putting words into my mouth won't change the truth on that.

Caryn

Caryn

Hmm....easy for someone who lives in a city like Sacramento to say. One has to have a multitude of ISPs with local phone numbers to dial into to have options like you have.

It is so easy for people who have lots of options to assume that everybody has the same options they do. Not everybody lives in or near a city. When one has to dial long distance to dial into an ISP, it doesn't make sense to switch to that ISP does it?

Also....

AOL offers more than just internet access. I had a T1 line to the house (it pays to be married to an internet god) and I kept aol for it's content. I love the needlework chat, the internal aol BB's and for a long time I appreciated the way they handled newsgroups.

Just because you choose not to use aol doesn't mean it doesn't have things to offer, some of us appreciate having those things.

Caryn

Hi Sheena,

The thread was "Temari anyone?" in Dec. 2004, there were only 6 posts.

I think the gal from B.C. may have been Judy Shorten. There are a few more of us now, and we (including Judy) are planning a get-together in August.

take care, Linda (from B.C.)

I wonder sometimes when we talk about why there aren't more needlework posts and why the OT stuff seems to grab all the attention if it is because many needlework questions seem to be requests for information which can be answered fairly directly--this is a shop in that town, this is where to find that pattern, here is her website. By their nature, they tend to be limited. Clearly, there are questions of opinion in needlework too, but they are not asked as often. OT stuff grabs us because opinion tends to be much more personal and lively. Too lively, sometimes. Still, I would rather have the lively stuff that the sort of mindlessness I found in a couple of groups others told me about that "talked stitching" all the time: ("I finished my bookmak. " "That's really cute" "oh, that is cute". ) Just an opinion Dawne

That's her - say hi to her from me ! I bring mine out at Christmas and use them as decorations. I haven't done any for awhile, but my appetite is being whetted with this talk lol

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I did miss that thread - really ..... it would've got my attention for sure. I took a course, bought the book, finished most of it - and will get back to it ... I just work better on things when I'm alone not in the class atmosphere. The girls at my LNS were wonderful in teaching it tho' - we laughed the whole night. It was fun and I'm glad I know how to do it, but it wouldn't be first on my list of things I love to do.

I was going to stay out of this entirely, but I have to comment on this just a bit.

I don't remember who the poster was, because it's been some time and my Google-fu skills are not up to par tonight, but yes there have absolutely been comments made along the lines of "you cross stitchers who refuse to spread your wings and try something new" (quotes used only to identify the theme of the comments and not to imply an exact statement). In fact, I want to say it was several people making the same type of comment at the same time in a single thread in the instance I'm remembering.

If I can manage to make Google and my brain both cooperate with me at the same time, I'll post actual quotes.

Jenn L.

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- NEW! projects: Nordic Needle Rose (Silver Lining) Starry Night (Vincent van Gogh via Cross Stitch Collectibles) Lady of the Flag (Mirabilia) Home of the Brave (Sally Rung)

> "Even your cross stitching" "Even canvas work">

I think your interpretation of Dianne's post verifies what I said: ' Sometime we preceive things in comments that really aren't there.' Saying:'Even your cross stitching" "Even canvas work', no way implies that she considers either of these forms of needlework to be inferior to any other but rather that they are all forms of embroidery.

There is no need to justify the way you feel but I think you do the group an injustice by making sweeping, vague comments that people here write post implying that cross stitch is an inferior form of needlework. I repeat, I can't remember reading anything to that effect in the many years I've been a member here.

Mavia

-- Brenda

I'm on AOL, but I'm not reading through Google, either. Netscape (which is free) + news.individual.net (which is under $20 a year)

Maybe you should google up the discussions in January/February when AOL was discontinuing newsgroups, and see the variety of options offered, some free, some costing a couple bucks a month.

Netscape has filters, and I can read offline, neither of which Google can do, and both of which I require.

Bingo! I can't say anything on the subject of LNS's in Montana ... never been there, don't have any friends there. Can't tell you where to see this sampler, because I don't do samplers and wouldn't even recognize a style, much less a specific one. Can't tell you where you're going wrong with your Hardanger, I did one practice piece and decided I didn't like either the process or the finished product.

On needlework subjects I *do* know about, once the question is answered, I'm not going to waste my time answering it again unless I have something to add: a clever tip to make it easier, the info that a shop mentioned has closed or moved.

But I do know a lot about some of the OT stuff. And, frankly, how home-schooled kids turn out *is* something for those of us who don't have kids to have concerns about. If some illiterates raise more illiterates, the rest of us are going to be paying extra taxes to subsidize housing and medical care and food stamps for these kids who can't get a decent job, or provide them remedial classes when they figure out they can quote Scripture but can't add beyond the number of fingers they have.

Sharon,

The more temari you stitch, the more hooked you become...

I did my first temari about 10 to 15 yrs. ago, didn't do more until this January. I got back into them because my Mom had a bunch of styrofoam balls she didn't know what to do with... So my "free balls" have cost me a whack of money since then. First, I wanted more balls, then more thread, then more perle cotton, then some books, then more books, and on and on and on...

take care, Linda