OT: Musings on the London bombings.

Muslim leaders as well as the Muslim in the street are constantly appearing on TV, telling us that "Islam means PEACE!" - yet we are still shown the other kind of Muslim leader inciting hatred, and shown pictures of muslims dancing in the streets and cheering when the Twin Towers were hit. Actually it makes you want to acquire a machine gun! Bastards.

Pat P

Did I hear correctly that some of the London bombers were native-born Brits?

I was not kidding about terrorists; only about how inoffensive the Canadians seem. Judy

So then Rove would fall under that catagory? Judy

I think common sense should have prevailed ... in order that personal liberties of the innocent are protected or avenged. C'mon - chicken heads??? This guy, from what I've heard, had guns, knives and a bloody chain-saw (which he used to decapitate one of his victims by the way) - and they 'might've thought he was cutting off chicken heads'??? Naw - I think they were just Stupid!

Sharon (N.B.) ............................................................................ ....

I don't exactly know what you mean with this statement - would you care to explain it?

Sharon (N.B.) ............................................................................ ....

Karen C - California

I wouldn`t describe them as that - but yes they were born in Britain, to Muslim immigrant parents, went off (apparently) to Al Quaeda training camps in Pakistand and/or Afghanistan. They all had names like Abdul, Mohammed and what have you. One was a graduate (at our expense, of course) One a primary school teacher.

It`s inconceivable. Just goes to show how they just blend in!

Pat P

Sorry, Sharon,

I am with Brenda on this one. I read the reports in fair detail at the time,( having come through Calais myself), and the guys REALLY wanted to hold the guy, but it "could" have been paint, rust, or animal blood. If they had a phenolphthalein test kit for blood, or something of that ilk, they would have had a better chance to hold him for a few more hours. they stalled as long as they legally could before releasing him.. I think the report of the murders came in a few hours later, and that is why the alert went out to the New England police, and they apprehended the man in quick time.

It is a shame that some of the laws are so rigid, but we "must protect the innocent" and all that tommy-rot.

Gill

Brenda Lewis wrote:

From what I understand, the blood on the chainsaw was minimal, dried, and not readily apparent as blood..."rusty" was the description I heard. The man was a US citizen and had the appropriate documentation but was acting in a bizarre manner so Customs and Border Protection searched, confiscated the weapons, and detained the him temporarily. They contacted RCMP and the FBI plus other authorities, none of whom had any knowledge of either the person or the crime.

Perhaps in other countries, holding a person such as this is legal, but there would not be 'probable cause' in America, and thus,it's unconstitutional. Until it is indicated that a person is most likely a danger to himself or others, it is ok to be both crazy and at liberty.

In any event, when the man left CBP, they knew him, his car, and his destination. He was apprehended the next day in Massachusetts exactly where they expected to find him.

It always amuses me when people complain that they were "waved through" Customs because the screams and hollers from them's who get searched are even louder. Next time you're in a long line and you get passed very quickly, just turn right around and demand to be sent to Secondary. You never know, you might get lucky and pull a thorough strip and cavity search.

Customs people are not stupid. They have something like 3000 years of experience...they're one of the oldest functions of governments and states. (Not to mention that customs duties represent one of the earliest forms of taxation applied to trade by states.) They know where to look, who to look at, and what to look for.

Do they make mistakes? Of course. A few years ago, DH returned from a trip to London with a Cuban cigar and a package of codeine-laced cough drops in his pocket. He was passed while the inspector spent 20 minutes examining in detail my ten dollar US-made watch. These things happen.

We all make choices every single day between security and liberty. I, for one, prefer the government (of, for and by the people...of which I am one) that errs on the side of liberty.

Lynda

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." ..................Paul Rodriguez..................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I condemn any man or woman that damages, in any way, any other person in the name of any God, and would rat 'em out in a heartbeat! I expect no less from leaders of any religion. However, I am not naive enough (and history confirms this) to believe this is ever going to happen.

Not disagreeing with anything here. Just musing to myself that Catholic Priests would deem it a sin to "rat someone out" under most circumstances. Should Imams (isn't that the name of Muslim church leaders?) be held to a lesser standard? Or a Methodist minister? Food for thought as we mull this around and try to understand our feelings and our ability to think it all through thoroughly, logically, and rationally. :-) Dianne

Isn't it only that Catholic priests cannot divulge what is told to them in confession? I should think that someone just talking about a violent act could be reported in good conscience by a priest, as long as he had not tried to get into a discussion to dissuade the individual and ended up asking if the person wanted to "talk about it in confidence(confession)." Of course, not being Catholic, I probably don't fully understand the whole concept of what consistutes "confession" in speaking with a priest.

-- Carey

I really thought it was that anything said in the confessional could not be repeated, whether it was confessing that they actually committed a crime, or were intending to. I would fully anticipate a priest would try to counsel a person towards a legal and ethical action. I can see where a counseling session would also fall under a certain level of confidentiality.

-- Carey (They say you learn something new every day...)