You are joking are you ??? What do you mean Around here ,, people who are new to this NG ,, are allowed to think that Around here words mean what they usually mean And other Know that as well.... mirjam
I didn't yell at anyone and I didn't go after Brat, I simply responded to her post, she went after me. Why don't you ladies practice what you preach, you're still accusing me of what you're doing yourselves.
Mirjam, I've been singled out (not sure why) and they're not going to let up, so you don't need to take it on my behalf. I just wonder why, on some of the other threads, everyone is not agreeing with each other, and they're not getting pounced on/criticized by the few like I am, can't get a reponse to that, is it because I'm new?
Betty you raise a very valid and intereting question? When i first started to read this ng , i like you thought that it will be full of [all kinds] of needlework subjects ,, and that i will learn from this ,,, Alas i have learned heremore about Social behaviours . About Intolerance to the Other and the New ,, Oh you may be both , but you can stay in favour if you are accepting certain writen behaviours ,,,, Note that most people come here from the English speaking countries , the ones outside this countries don`t stay that long ,,,, I still don`t why the pouncing , flaming goes on , sometimes i thought , it was a periodical cycle thing , maybe to do with moon cycle ,,,, Maybe it is hormonal ???? [like in Girls boarding schools were eventually all have menustration at the same time of the month ,,,,???
There are kind people as well, and they are worth staying here for ...
And the unkind ... will have to accept that they don`t rule the place ,,, mirjam
Oh, Karen - doest that mean I should've changed the topic to "a little enabling - along with saying hi?"
Ellice
Now I rarely agree with Lucille, ;-) but in this instance she is perfectly correct in redirecting you to rec.crafts.textiles.yarns, and doing so was a helpful suggestion and not a criticism. Knitting is NOT needlework in the sense for which this group was formed. This group is just for sewing and embroidery, the more usual way people think of needlework. Knitting, crochet etc. is the other group, which is why you were quite sensibly redirected (in the same way that anyone who wants to sell anything is redirected to r.c.t.marketplace). As a self confessed newcomer to newgroups, you maybe could not be expected to know that, but I hope that we have, in fact, been of some help in sorting it out for you.
As in an ordinary craft club, we often chat about other things as well. Things that are going on in our lives or the world in general - funny stories etc.
Good luck with your search - and best wishes for your daughter. It must be SUCH a stressful time for you both
Pat
I've been reading this thread, and trying not to get involved, but from my point of view, it's time I killfiled Betty C. Not only has she problems (to put it mildly) with the way we do things here, but she constantly top-posts - a no-no in most usenet newsgroups.
Answer: Top posting
Question:
What is the wrong way to reply to a post in a newsgroup?
so - "BettyC" - plonk! MargW
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:17:19 -0500, MargW opined: \>>
Lol - that should knot her panties up !
Hee Burgia I see you are back to your usual rudeness
i don`t think this is polite nore mature speech mirjam
MargW
Who exactly Are ,,,,those mysterious WE ?
Have WE voted on how WE do things here , or do we have some Etiquete here ???? please enlighten me ???? mirjam
Well, Mirjam, while I don't claim to speak for everyone in the group (and obviously I don't speak for you), I think I have a reasonable feel for the way this group functions. I've been reading and posting to this group since around 1995.
Every usenet newsgroup (of which r.c.t.n. is one) has its own conventions and ways of doing things. Every so often someone comes along who is not familiar with the conventions of the group. Although there is no law forbidding someone from posting contrary to the usual methods of the group, it is also a guaranteed method of bringing the general wrath of that same group on their heads.
And, yes, there is indeed an etiquette to the way newsgroups work. In fact it is known as 'netiquette' and has been more or less codified. When I taught e-mail, net browsing and newsgroup use, one of the first things I introduced my students to was proper net etiquette (or netiquette for short).
May I point you to:
As to not top posting - you are one of those who does that - something that in a great many groups would get you 'flamed' and killfiled immediately. Luckily for you, most of us don't worry too much about that, as long as the content of the message is worthwhile. When you talk about needlework, your messages are always interesting. However, you seem to regularly decide to take offence at what someone has said,and I often find you have totally misread their meaning, possibly through not always understanding English idiom.
So, you are quite welcome to killfile me - I don't have a problem with that.
MargW
Perfect post Marg and yes, you certainly speak for some of us, I am certain of that lol
And then compounded her poor etiquette by telling us that our way of operating is wrong.
Thank you MargW for you long interesting letter [and Yes i will Go on top posting since i for one am sick and tired of people leaving loooooooooooooooooooong tails, whiich are hard for me to roll down till i find the [sometimes tiny] 1 sentence answer.... For some people this makes downloading easier .. As to being a Veteran i think i am here since 97 or 98. And i think that i just like you have a reasonable feel of the way this group functions.
Yes i am quite aware of the `conventions` that each group has, and esp of the `ways`. I came learned and experienced many of those Conventions and ways, And i am TOO familiar with the way thing are done here. I have been Subjected to many Rude behaviours , flames, etc,,,, and i was not the only one... I am not going to use here words about proffessions, expertise and other abilities that we all bring into our talking /writing and general day to day behaviour. I will use your words accorfing to you
It is Ok to be Rude , unpolite , unpatient, unkind ,,,,, when somebody new joins and does behave different than you , it IS NO REASON , to immidiately Jump on him/her with unkind words what so ever ,,,, let a person adjust , see for herself if she likes YOUR behaviours, maybe she will go away [like so many people do and did ].
ANy etiquette that does not give place to a newcomer, to make some mistakes or be a bit different than the General group, lacks understanding of how the world really works.
Any Etiqette that is used by a Group, to point out to others a behaviour, they themselves do not go by, isn`t worth much.
May i understand from your pointing me to the Etiquette, that it was ok for many of you to attack , and flame , Unwed mothers behaviours, or at the time Catholics [ which made some nice people leave] , or me about several subjects ? Calling on the Etiqutte only when it suits your purpose, is not so ethical. It looks more like Double standards. Using all those words and terminologies, that one doesn`t encourgae in young children, freely here toward other grown up people doesn`t seem very ethical as well. Thus before you remember to call the Netiquette as your cane to whip me with , or to lean upon ,,, look first into your and into others` behaviours here , and SEE How much you yourself KEEP UP the Etiquette,
And only after you will be sure that You Haven`t violated too many parts of it , come and preach to me about the parts You think i violated. May i remind you that i write quite regulary about needlework, that i never cursed anyone here . Yes i do naswer when attacked or when i think people attack `others` any others, that aren`t part of your specific self promoted self chosen group.
Yes you may !!! do you KEEP ALL THOSE Suggested behaviour lines ????
The part under this words of mine are just HILARIOUS , since if you have any complaint about How the new lady, behaved ,, look to this groups Archives, and mostly day to day posts, : " insults , Xhenophobic remarks, Shooing away everybody who isn`t natural English speaking , The interaction here is many a time impolite. When some years ago i insisted to answer every insult or rudeness that was thrown my way ON THE PUBLIC domain , while some of you told me to take it to private email , i WROTE to you that eventually , you will , give the impression , esp to new comers , that RUDENESS is the "How the people who are already there act, than go ahead and participate" , thus this ng by it`s many fights and flames gives the impression that this is HOW PEOPLE Who are already here act !!!!! why be surprised that newcomers quickly feel uneasy and need to answer back ?????
Yes i do and will do so as long as the lomg tails stay under every post ... You ARE FREE to kill file me ,, one of those funny behaviours.
Unlike you i understand that people are one person, my needlework talk , which you find interesting ,[and i thank you for that], is what it is just because i care about people, their lives, their feelings . And yes,also because i take offence, because i know that WORDS are tools that can hurt, words carry dangerous results if not treated /answered properly. If i don`t understand an idiom i don`t hesitate to check it with dictionaries or people whose mother tungue it is. But this isn`t the case here , many of you think they can get away , with saying something they KNOW pretty well is offensive, and than they lean back and say "you have misread it...." , a bit like politicians who give a statement and than claim to have been misquoted.
So from time to time i mistype a word ,,, many of you do this regulary , and it is your regular language,,, But i do read You very well... But let`s for a moment say i misread something and react upon it , why doesn`t the writer of that idiom than explain the REAL meaning of what he /she said/wrote???
I never killfile , to me this looks childish ,,,
mirjam with a very tired left hand
And Karen can you please tell us what parts of THE HOLY ETIQUETTE you kept over the years ???? Starting fromcalling me all kinds of unkind names , making up stories about my life, Knowing Better than me how things are going around here in my country Very Ethical indeed !!!! And don`t worry i don`t think your way of operating is wrong ? i am very curious about you Diffferent ways ?
mirjam
But definitely not all of us. I've been around since at least 1995. RCTN is a much looser format. I wouldn't criticize someone for not posting as a few posters think they should post. I didn't think her posts were offensive. In fact, many of her points hit the nail on the head.
Dianne
Yep, you certainly speak for me, and I wish I could have said it as well.
Lucille
Well Mirjam, as you have often done in the past, you've managed to turn this whole thing around to yourself.
This started when someone else posted a nasty note, showing an "attitude" and a complete misunderstanding of what was a helpful suggestion. I doubt you think coming in to a new group ready to fight is generally a good way to win friends and influence people.
How about stopping to think before you post these long and often accusatory messages. I really don't think anyone has cirticized your typing errors, or for that matter your comprehension errors. It's mostly that you refuse to understand or admit that you sometimes misunderstand what we say.
You have a lot to offer this group, especially where knowledge of needlework and art is concerned but you really need to lighten up.
Lucille
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