Pat P wrote: >>> >Yet you don`t appear to mind "them" starting a war on us??? >
responded >> "They" didn't start a war on us. A few whacko thugs did. >> Dianne
Then Pat came back: >I did say "they" in inverted commas, and it`s more than a few whacko >thugs! It`s highly organised. And "They" have started a war on "us". >You don`t have suicide bombers in the satreets, amongst ordinary people >- yet. So far, terrible though it was, it was` pretty arms-length.
The context is getting lost here. We are treating this "war" as if it was a war. It's not a war. It's gorilla fighting. There is no country involved. It's a different set of rules than anything in recent history, which requires a different mindset.
Small cells are organized, but the "whole" is not that well organized. It doesn't take too many small groups of like-minded individuals to wreak havoc. And how do you fight back? Not readily. Certainly not by shooting anything that moves.
Maybe - maybe - maybe. Had he been a bomber - all your "maybes" could have resulted in the death of tens of innocent people. HOPPED on the train? Just how old are you? That`s a serious question, because if you are as young as you appear, it might explain your lack of common-sense and understanding of the world we live in.
Right, couldn't be due to the stupidity of the investigators who failed to ascertain that there was more than one apartment at the address in question.
You admit that you don't know the whole story, yet you are determined to make it the fault of that young man. Why can't you just admit that it was a mistake and leave it at that? What would you lose?
But one could do a similar list and end with different results:
1963, John F. Kennedy was shot and killed by: a. Barney b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. Lee Harvey Owsald
1965, Martin Luther King Jr is shot in Memphis by: a. Marilyn Monroe b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. James Earl Ray
1978, Jonestown Guyana; over 900 killed in mass suicide arranged by cult leader: a. Matt Dillon b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. Jim Jones
1981, President Ronald Regan assassination attempt by: a. Captain Kangaroo b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. John w. Hinckley
1982, London bombed in a number of attacks a. Big Bird b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. IRA
1989, Montreal Canada, 14 women killed in Quebec university a. Ben Mulroney b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. Marc Lepine
1995, Oklahoma City, 168 killed in bombing of Federal Building a. Howdy Doody b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. Timothy McVeigh
1999, Littleton Colorado, 15 dead and 23 wounded a. Barbara Walters b. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 c. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
So maybe now would be a good time to stop backing up the pope? I mean, if you are truly an atheist why do you bother about him? His god does not exist for you..
Just for what it's worth: I live in a house with 17 appartments. If one person living here was a criminal that would not yutomaticaly make me one aswell, would it?
No, they did not. They did not show ID. They might have shouted "Police" but _everybody_ can shout "Police"!
Are you sure? If you had lived in India for 3 years would you be able to understand Hindi?
I really really hope you will never be followed by a mob carrying guns just because you behave suspiciously. On the other hand, by your comments I would probably be cheering for those officers just like you are now...
(Was that too rude for you? Fine, now you know how I feel about your comments)
Pat, since you must have accidently replied to me personally instead of to the NG I'm answering this here...
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Pat wrote: Maybe he would have been able to detonate it at that point. All the more credit to the police, who, knowing the risk, both to themselves and the public still did their duty. You keep on about the wroing skin colour. Are you yourself "of the wrong skin-colour" as you put it, and are therefore prejudiced?
I write: And what exactly would that change? you are making so many asumptions about me it's geting quite interesting really.. Apparently I'm a black teenager now, who knows, maybe I'll turn into an Iranian 50y.o. male tomorrow?
Pat wrote: If you`re looking for Muslim terrorists you EXPECT them to be of a different colour to Anglo-Saxon - there aren`t actually very many white followers of Islam in this country - and yes, I know that there are some, but generally speaking there are not.
I write: Just because most muslims are non Anglo-Saxon doesn't mean all terrorists are "Non Ango Saxon". Just because most suicide bombers appear to be muslims that doesn't mean that all muslims are suicide bombers. It's like saying because most cats will kill and eat mice that means most mice are killed and eaten by cats.
Pat wrote: And to paraphrase Mirjam, you can`t understand the situation until it is on your doorstep. Don`t quote 9/11 to me - that wasn`t caused by a person walking amongst you un-noticed.
I write: Yes, it was actually. At least some of those men studied in germany, kept a very low profile, abode by the laws here. Just like those who bombed London who lived in England for most of their lives, kept a low profile, abode by the laws, until they built bombs and killed a lot of people.
People seem to have missed the vital piece of information Pat P. posted a few days ago. It was not plain clothes police who shot the Brazilian, it was possibly the SAS. If true, this explains much of what happened. Police are not trained to kill; the SAS are. It seems to me that it would be highly unlikely a policeman would have pumped 8 bullets into a man they had already restrained. It is *exactly* what one would expect from the SAS. Many years ago, I was on an army exercise in Canada, where a few SAS were involved. One night one of them fell into a quarry, and ended up with at least a broken pelvis and several broken ribs. When a young Canadian doctor examined him, all the information he would provide was his name, rank, and number!! Most people have heard of James Bond, licenced to kill. The SAS dont look like Sean Connery, but they are as close as anyone can come to being licenced to kill by the UK government. If it really was the SAS involved, then all de Menezes had to do was blink at the wrong time and he was a dead man.
-- Jim Cripwell. From Canada. Land of the Key Bird. This creature of doom flies over the frozen tundra in winter, shrieking its dreaded call; "Key, Key, Key, Key rist but it's cold!!"
Exactly. So why should anyone feel the need to assert that "he must have done something to make that happen," of that "he must have been acting suspiciously?"
I'm very tolerant of people generally. I bear you a very personal animus developed of years of negative interactions and a very good memory. I would not trust you as far as I can throw you and I want nothing from you.
Speaking of which, you sent me email again this morning. Please desist.
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