No Elizabeth , you are tottaly wrong ,, when you tell me , without having the statistics , that our methods are no good, than it is very normal for me to ask you , if you have a better idea? ,, Since it is me and mine that daily travel , go to resturnats and shop , and we have found out that it does minimize the killings, than we preffer it to go on.....I assure you that People who lost families killed in Barcelona , Turkey, Indunezia, London and other places, would now agree that For their bags to be checked, Knowing that it could save even one life ..!!!
Maybe you are asking Rhetorical questions , i never do !!!! and in the rare case i do it than i will tell you that this is a rhetorical question. You ask
No i don`t know that there isn`t a better soultion i Fully am aware of the Minimalizing that we manage to do ... Same as ElAl showed the way to other companies about how to minimize Hijacking.
Of course not ? let`s all put out throats out ready for slaughter .... this is probably your best idea. >
Oh for God`s sake ,,,, playing this games ,,, You lecture all the time , even many atime about things you only know By theory , wake up , life is different , mirjam >
Nicole , i never said the young man was a terrorist , i said you didn`t say/write to condemm [the Original ] terrorists . If you read my letter well you might have noticed that , i was not so sure , that the man really Understood the police ,,, Stand Still , is less known than the Plain Old STOP , which is almost international .
I didn`t say he was a Terrorist , i said that in the circumstances , his behaviour lead to a sad mistake . And again i will tell you that unless you ever where in such an Event ,, you have NO idea how You will react to a supposed [by you at that moment] threat . In such circumstances when the London Police have to Guard lives , They have to be suspicious. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you ? if you had How did you react? have you ever seen a Hand granade thrown beside you ? If you haven`t ,, please don`t Judge those police men !!!!
I agree with you , about that, But let`s say this is nice coffee table talk
The police Didn`t know he wasn`t armed, for all they knew , he could have a big Bomb straped under his clothes. In a resturant in my city, a Young woman , came in had some food , stood up , next to a baby carriage , looked at the baby and blew herself and several Whole families with her , it was summer she wasn`t even overdressed . Explosives don`t have to be Big, The man was dressed in a way , that it was REASONABLE To assume , something was wrong. Yes it is sad , But You have To BLAME THE TERRORISTS , whose murderous behaviour, makes police suspicious. It is a very tragic Accident. All he did was wear the wrong clothes and unfortunately he was
I don`t think his color had anything to do with this event. More so his clothes.as well as his Running away, When you say it his color , it is says what you think that others think. , like the other person who printed this Long list of Terror acts, blaming it all on Arabs , while In many of those Terror acts the Leading Persons were Germans of Baader -Meinhof gang ,,, who Taught many a terrorist how to Kill, maime and be horrid. And in their `active` years ,, Germans were also suspected and stopped and checked at various Borders.
I have NEVER Said that Killing Anybody was a good thing , You should not put words into my mouth. I said that it was a mistake , and that the blame should go to the terrorists who made the police , be over careful.
I see you are new here , i advice you to go to my site , Sorry i made a typo yesterday , Yes Go to my Site
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see what my art tells you. You ahvent been here long enough to have read what i did or do. But i was and am one of those people who live and work for peace. As to your question about Israel , Yes ALL Israel wants and works for Peace. You might not see nore Understand it. And may i say it is So cynical to hear such a question from a German , Since one of our Main problems is, that We want peace very much, but we want a safe peace. And there are So many people here Who are still daily carrying the results of what the German [Nazies] did to us. That now we are Cautious and Have many various Ideas of what exactly is the Safer way to live. What arrangements are safer. and we debate Furiously with each other.
Your `Sadness` is probbaly not so big if you can ask me how much we REALLY want peace. !!
I wish Nicole ,,, that it was so plain, and simple ,,, but it isn`t.. it is a clash of culture , the same clash that slowly overtakes the whole world, There isn`t a day passing now without Some Bomb Going off somewhere , most places Not related to us at all. but Most bombs are related to a Jihadistic World network ..
Your People murdered many of mine , i never thought to take revenge by killing any Germans. So you see it is not all the same. But there are cultures or Ideologies that are built on Murder ,,, The Jihadistic Movement learned a lot from the Both the Nazies as well as German anarchists... maybe you should look at your own Country people, before telling me all the above.
What a pity , you should read a bit about both your Own History as well as about world politics , and maybe you will realize that it is Not all So easy as sitting at a table and typing your opinions .
i didn`t see anybody BUT THE TERRORISTS who are keen on Murdering people , i see police forces that work in hard conditions.
Aha I thought that you meant this , but wasn`t sure ... mirjam
Yes Please do reflect it , but remember among the Extremists that did all this , there were Some Christians as well , some from Mediterenean countries and some from Germany , and some from Japan. You have missed the Antheba Hijacking of the Airfrance plane form Tel Aviv to Paris . And the Blowing up of the Jewish Cultural center in Buenos Aeros . And the event when 3-4 air planes were kidnapped and blown up in Jordanian desert . In both cases German which called them selves Anarchists , participated , or even were heading it. And Don`t forget there were also some women , Fundamental Jihadists and some German ladies..... And Let`s Not forget the Very Famous Carlos , who terorized and Hijjacked All over the Globe ,,,,
Sirhan Sirhan . >
PLEASE Remember that this were ISRAELI athletes , we still mourn . Killed by Black September , [ a terrorist group named thus after the Killing of many of their leaders By Jordanian authorithies.]
Revultionary Iranians under the leadership of Humeini ,,, who was Helped and safe guarded many years in France ,
probably Arrafat` s troups Fathah. >
probably Fathah , And /or dr. George Habash ?>
Jewish
Fatah + German Anarchists [ Baader Meinhof ? ]
Mainly Libyan terrorists , for which USA later threatend Libya with airplanes . >
Local living in America Fundamenatlists World jihad terrorists . >
World Jihadists >
A Extremist Jihadist group , partly called Al-Quaida , but originating in the >
During 4 years Over 1000 Israelies , were Blown up , many thousands wounded, We try to prevent it , put guards before schools , kindergartens , shopping malls resturants , train stations. People are requested to open bags, when suspect or possible suspect , they are asked to raise their shirts. Un attended packages are blown up in controlled methods .... Amongat those terrorists there are Not Only muslims , and there were some women as well and much TOO many kids. >
Would you please Identify yourself , after throwing so many Accusations on one group ... aren`t you mixing up All MUslims with Fundamental Jihadists , mainly coming from the Wahaby sect? mirjam
Please Nicole ,, don`t feed me with this kind of no `facts` , i don`t know where you got this Proof from ??? Alas The man was Inteligent , and slimy and had Charisma
And if he had Inteligent men behind him , than you want to clear him of the crimes ??? He used others who again used him and together they made their crimes ,
I know it is a sad accident, i agree it is a sad accident, In war zones people speak about "Friendly Fire " , which i think is a Horrid thing , We know about people , who don`t look out and by accident drive over their kids playing behind cars ,,, all are terrible accidents.
I agree with you that thisis the Ideal Way to deal with it. But alas all Western countries, Yours included, have learned the hard way , that capturing this kind of terrorists lead later to an other kind of terror , in order to release that captured Terrorists , by this causing more trouble and more killings!!!
I hope you are right .. but i have also met those who aren`t sorry, or tell me to stop thinking about it. I can see here at least 2 German Tv channels, And onmy twice a year visits to Belgium, i see more German Cahnels ,,, and i see too many [Different from you] Germans.
`Only a 100???? come now ....And who burnt those poor Turkish people , and who paints hate slogans etc.....
AHA , and you find Ok that the police pushes back thos Leftwingers , even though The are against the Neonazies ??? just to save some cars and some houses ???? >
??????? Why ????
Ok let`s rephrase mt words , Your words would seemed to me more sincere had you said some thing against the terrorists as well , keeping you critic to the police , who is trying to save people, semed very odd to me.
You know , my colleague and friend a man who all his life worked for peace was blown up in a resturant. His family friends , colleagues and even The other side who sent those Bombers had various reactions. .May life Never ever put you in such a place , may you Never ever be faced with Guns , bombs , murder ,,,
I don`t say all Germans were / are Evil , I think Many Germans were Evil. And i will never forgive that. You haven`t seen me shout the above, about Muslims , please preach such things to other people not to me. >
Please reread my letters....>
Please don`t shout , i said Fundamenatalist , because i see a diifference between Fundamentalists and other people [ of all cultures].
Better check with your police how they wil react in such cases , you might be very very very surprised. mirjam
Sorry, but in my opinion, I do not believe any of this has to do with history. It has to do with greed and power and history is a convenient excuse and useful as a way to conscript converts for their cause.
I'm glad you pointed out the fact that they certainly did live amongst us. As a matter of fact they took their flying lessons right here in South Florida, not very far away from where I live. Certainly none of the instructors thought they would use their skills for a terrorist attack. Lucille
I'm glad you pointed out the fact that they certainly did live amongst us. As a matter of fact they took their flying lessons right here in South Florida, not very far away from where I live. Certainly none of the instructors thought they would use those skills for a terrorist attack. Lucille
What?! I think I'm not going to discuss this further with you.
So, what should be done? No fair trials? Then who decides who gets a fair trial and who gets shot on the spot?
Ok... So you think the majority of Germans are still evil... Let me just mention one name: Michel Friedman.
Yes. Their demonstrations usually don't attract too many of them anymore aparently.
Yes. Because you see, everybody here has a right that's called "free speech". I might not like what Neonazis have to say and I might not like what leftwingers have to say, but I will let them say it because they have the same human rights as me, including the right to free speech.
Why not?
We're not talking about terrorists, well, not originally anyway. We are talking about the killing of a young, innocent man.
I do, every day. And by so doing learned that suicide bombers and the current method of gorilla warfare was invented in Sri Lanka.
Yes. Greed and power amongst a set few who wielded power and armies. The same is true of the current operators who wage "bomb and run" or "bomb and die suicidally" by those they conscript into their service. The difference today is that it's not a "country" we're up against. It's a loose network of thugs and their converts. I'm not fooled by their claims of religious right/might. Anymore than many Germans were fooled by Hitler's rantings.
Nicole ! You brought up the name of this man , not me. i just wondered about the information you try to pass about him.
Why ? because i study and research this facts?
I didn`t not say there shoudn`t be a trial , i only pointed out some of the troubles that are added to this kind og trials.
No! i didn`t write majority i wrote TOO MANY ......
Please do tell me about him ? i don`t recognize this name . >
My [German] sources of researches , spoke about many more , enlisted members.>
If i remember right Germany has some very strict ruling against Neo-nazie Propganda .[stricter than other European countries].
I don`t think Neo nazies have the right to free incitement , and that is why they do most of their talk , in secret meetings.
Why can`t you just speak about People ? >
As much as i would like , just like you to see this a separate horrid mistaken Accident , I can`t because it happened on hard times and Because London has been attacked and Hundreds of Innocent people were endangerd , more than 50 dead more than 100 wounded, and the police ot the job , to prevent any more harm to those thousands walking the streets. Thus We Are Talking of the Waves of the the stone that the Terrorists threw in the pond ,,,, No stone no waves ,,, >
No, because you will not listen to what I have to say anyway, so it's pointless.
Ok, so there should be a trial and it should not be fair? Or it should be fair but the outcome should be they get shot? Or what?
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it's in german but I couldn't find anything in english quickly.. but try googling for his name...He was Vicepresident of the "Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland".
Enlisted Members and people who come to demonstrations would be different numbers...
Yes. But that doesn't mean we can just take away their rights for free speech.
They have the right to say what they think, just like anyone. They can not wear 3. Reich uniforms and display the Hakenkreuz, there's a whole lot of laws about "Volksverhetzung" which they of course are not allowed to break.
Because it's not a general kind of "people" that are getting attacked, it's muslims.
Whatever. I have now typed it so many times there's just no more point in repeating it. You won't accept my view anyway.
How many Police officers exactly do you have in your family and your circle of "extended family" i.e. friends?
Nicole . I went to this website and read the material , i really have no idea why you sent me to read about this man. What `s new about a politician misusing his power? mirjam
You're conviniently forgetting to mention what happened to germans who went agains Hitler. Who didn't join his Party, who didn't send their kids to the HJ and BDM.
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